E9th-First string F# to G - How used?

Wes Hamshaw · From: Pacific City, Oregon * R.I.P.

It seems that most everyone uses this change on the E9th
tuning - F# to G. Is this used mostly as a passing note
or is there a use as part of a chord structure somehow?
Often the 7th string F# is also raised as well. It seems
rather usless to me. Don't want to clutter up with rather
usless levers or pedals. Thanks.....Wes

Terry Gann · From: Overland Park, Kansas

With A&B pedals plus this first string F# to G you get a 7chord don't you? I sometimes use it to play harmonized lines on strings 1 and 2. The old bud king of beers jingle! "When you say bud... "

Charles Curtis · Posted 21 Jun 2006 9:25 am

On my RKL, I have the 1st and 7th raised a whole step and the 2nd string raised a half step. Interesting sound.

Gabriel Stutz · From: Chicago, USA

I use this sometimes when some dissonance is called for (or I can get away with it), I slide from the pedals down position with the F# to G engaged (strings 1,3,5) and slide up/down to the no pedal position for the same chord with the F# to G still engaged for a #9 kind of a thing. It's a little on the ugly side, but it's kind of fun to kick off a solo with it. I use it on the solo I take on "Little Sister" and I think it sounds pretty cool. It is true that it also gives you a dominant 7 in the pedals down position.

Jon Light (deceased) · From: Saugerties, NY

The first thing I think of with that change is "Bottle Let Me Down"
http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/bottle.html

I actually added a different lever that lowers my 3rd string a whole step with the pedals down. Gives me the same note but in an easier form for some real spiffy downward rakes. With that note covered, I now raise the 1st string a whole step only.

Russ Wever · From: Kansas City

Wes,

Here is a 'single-note run' posted a while back that uses that particular change (F# to G).

Click to --> listen

Step-by-step, here is how it's being played:

First Measure-->

At fret 20, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee.

At fret 18, play strings 3, then 1, then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee and the Knee raising the first string a half-tone.

At fret 17, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with no Knee-levers.

At fret 15, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee.
Second Measure-->

At fret 13, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee and the Knee raising the first string a half-tone.

At fret 12, play strings 3, then 1, then 4 then 2 with the Knee lowering the second string a half-tone.

At fret 10, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with no Knees.

At fret 8, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee.
Third Measure-->

At fret 6, play strings 3, then 1, then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee and the Knee raising the first string a half-tone.

At fret 5, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with no Knees.

At fret 3, play strings 3, then 1,
then 4 then 2 with the 'F' Knee.

At fret 1, play strings 3, then 1, then 4 then 2, with the 'F' Knee and the Knee raising the first string a half-tone.
Fourth Measure-->

At fret 1, play string 3. (Ending note)

Even timing and careful blocking will keep the notes from 'bunching up' on ya.

~Russ

[This message was edited by Russ Wever on 21 June 2006 at 11:56 PM.]

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Now I like that Russ! I've got to learn that one for sure! Thanks

Terry

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Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

Harmony thirds, key of C:



F# __1__2#__4#__6__8__9#__11__13_


D# __1__2___4___6__8__9___11__13_


G# ______________________________


E  ______________________________


B  ______________________________


...

The interaction between these positions and the common chord positions on strings 3 4 5 is sublime!

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Wayne D. Clark · From: Montello Wisconsin, USA

Wess, Here is a phrase that I learned from Jeff Newman using the first string "F#".
Pick strings 4&3 togather then 2&1 togather, than 5&4 togather then 6&5 togather with AB Pedals depressed than release AB Pedals.

MSA D10 8/2

Michael Haselman · From: St. Paul

Check Mooney's solo on Rainy Day Woman, when it goes to the V chord. I used to cop that by just grabbing the string with left hand and pulling it.

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Mike Ester · From: New Braunfels, Texas, USA

I believe that you can hear that raise on Johnny Bush's "Green Snakes On The Ceiling"; specifically on the tag lick.

Well, that's what I use, anyway.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

It gives you the minor third in open E9
Raising the 9 to a minor third.

Similarly you can get the minor third
by lowering the G# to G
This can give you a Gm7add9 but a true minor for this is b9

Raising the 9 to G gives you a minor
but with the 1/2 step major 3rd
right next to it.
And totally unstrumable.

I prefer to lower the 3rd, and keep that 9 available.
I raise it to G# on RKR but it seems
to half stop at G ok for me too.

Neil Harms · From: Ionia, Missouri, USA

Thanks for the concise explanation Mr. Donald. Can't believe that none of that occured to me before. I need to spend more time with my theory book.... N.

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David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

Thanks for the thanks Neil

Another reason I lower the third with RKL,
is that I also have a Jeff Lever on LKV.
Making AB down a minor also.

But with the 3rd lower I can get a minor7b5
In open position fast.

But I note
1) I use a D on 2nd string
and C# on 9th string.
2) I am not a trad country player,
though I certainly can get country
to my tastes on this setup.

But I do like that F# to G# raise,
just for other reasons in different contects.

Larry Jamieson · From: Walton, NY USA

HOLY Cow, Russ... A "Little run?" that sure was nifty, take me a long time to work that one out... Nice!

Larry J.

John Ciano · Posted 26 Jun 2006 5:24 pm

Bobby Black plays a neat chromatic run as an intro to his solo on "Semi Truck" on the album "We Got a Live One Here" using this change. You start the run two frets back from the tonic note,press pedal 3 engage the F# to G knee lever, pick string 4 then 1 then 3 and move the lick up every four frets. Hope ya like it.

Newell Hardy · From: Garland, Texas, USA

I raise my first string F# to G#. I find that is more useful than to G. My seventh string raises to the G for the AB 7th chords.

John Sluszny · From: Brussels, Belgium

Thanks Russ!
Jon,I can't get that link!

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