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Topic: Newbie Copedent for Justice S10 Jr |
Rick Ortega
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 1:25 pm |
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Ron over at Justice will be making my S10 Jr 3x4 for mid-December approximate delivery. Here is the copedent:
Since I haven't had a PSG, I'm looking for comments on my pedal lever arrangement. Ron at Justice has been nothing short of great.
Thanks for your input - love the forum.
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Rick Ortega
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James Sission
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Sugar Land,Texas USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 1:34 pm
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| That's a pretty standard setup if there is such a thing. Almost all lessons or workshops will be easy to use with it. |
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Rick Ortega
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Texas, USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 1:37 pm
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| James Sission wrote: |
| That's a pretty standard setup if there is such a thing. Almost all lessons or workshops will be easy to use with it. |
Thanks, James. I see you're in Sugarland. Do you play out?
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Rick Ortega
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James Sission
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Sugar Land,Texas USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 2:03 pm
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| I do when we can play. These days I'm limited to playing in church. |
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Henry Brooks
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Los Gatos, California, USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 3:58 pm
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For myself, I would lower string 5 a half step,Bb, on the RKL. Most guys would also lower string 10 along with string 5 and put it on a vertical lever. It is best to have this change located so it can be used with the lever that lowers the E's. You can get the most used function of your RKL, raising string 7 a half step plus the A and B pedals, 2 frets back with B pedal and your LKR, lowering the E's, using the standard picking groups, 3,4,5/4,5,6/5,6,8/6,8,10. Both of these changes make a dominate seventh chord by raising the sixth to the flat seven. Lowering the 5th and 10th strings makes a 9th chord two frets back from the no pedals chord. Example, 3rd fret no pedal is a G chord and 2 frets back at the 1st fret using the lever that lowers 5 gives you a G9, a dominate seventh plus the ninth. To be honest you can do the same thing using the A pedal but lowering the B's has two leading tones while the A pedal only has one. If your guitar can split-tune lowering string 5 along with pressing the A pedal makes a augmented chord a 9+5 or a minor chord with both the A and B pedals. Finally, lowering string 5 with E's lowered works the same as the standard lever on C6th.
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K Maul
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 4:59 pm
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On RKL I’d consider raising 1 a whole step and 2 a half as well.
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James Sission
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Sugar Land,Texas USA
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Posted 7 Nov 2020 6:23 pm
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| BTW Rick, you will NOT be disappointed in that Justice guitar. |
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richard burton
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Britain
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Posted 8 Nov 2020 2:03 am
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| Most steels lower string 2 a full tone on RKR, so your chart would say -2, not -1, to be standard |
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Rick Ortega
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Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2020 2:24 pm
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| Henry Brooks wrote: |
For myself, I would lower string 5 a half step,Bb, on the RKL. Most guys would also lower string 10 along with string 5 and put it on a vertical lever. It is best to have this change located so it can be used with the lever that lowers the E's. You can get the most used function of your RKL, raising string 7 a half step plus the A and B pedals, 2 frets back with B pedal and your LKR, lowering the E's, using the standard picking groups, 3,4,5/4,5,6/5,6,8/6,8,10. Both of these changes make a dominate seventh chord by raising the sixth to the flat seven. Lowering the 5th and 10th strings makes a 9th chord two frets back from the no pedals chord. Example, 3rd fret no pedal is a G chord and 2 frets back at the 1st fret using the lever that lowers 5 gives you a G9, a dominate seventh plus the ninth. To be honest you can do the same thing using the A pedal but lowering the B's has two leading tones while the A pedal only has one. If your guitar can split-tune lowering string 5 along with pressing the A pedal makes a augmented chord a 9+5 or a minor chord with both the A and B pedals. Finally, lowering string 5 with E's lowered works the same as the standard lever on C6th.
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Henry thanks. I'm going to have to chew on that for a bit!
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Rick Ortega
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Posted 8 Nov 2020 2:25 pm
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| richard burton wrote: |
| Most steels lower string 2 a full tone on RKR, so your chart would say -2, not -1, to be standard |
Richard, I'll check with Ron tomorrow.
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Rick Ortega
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Posted 8 Nov 2020 2:26 pm
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| James Sission wrote: |
| BTW Rick, you will NOT be disappointed in that Justice guitar. |
Thanks, James. Really looking forward to this adventure.
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Rick Ortega
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Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Nov 2020 2:27 pm
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Thanks for the info guys. I'll check with Ron tomorrow.
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Dave Hopping
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Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 9 Nov 2020 8:15 am
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| Most of the steels that lower string 2(often on RKL) a whole-step will have a "detent" at the half-step point. The half-step lower is extremely useful,and my main steels only lower the 2nd a half-step. |
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Jacek Jakubek
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Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 9 Nov 2020 8:59 am
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That looks like an excellent setup and you can't go wrong with it as it is. I wouldn't worry about changing anything because you have the main changes there.
If you get the steel and after a while of playing you find out you absolutely need to change something, you can learn to do it, it's not that hard (steel guitar forum guys will help.) |
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Rick Ortega
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Texas, USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2020 9:11 am
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| Jacek Jakubek wrote: |
That looks like an excellent setup and you can't go wrong with it as it is. I wouldn't worry about changing anything because you have the main changes there.
If you get the steel and after a while of playing you find out you absolutely need to change something, you can learn to do it, it's not that hard (steel guitar forum guys will help.) |
Perfect. Thanks, Jacek. I just wanted to make sure that the basic E9 changes were in place.
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Joseph Carlson
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Grass Valley, California, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2020 6:29 am
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This is pretty much the standard basic copedent, if there were such a thing - http://steelguitar.com/reqS10Tuning.html
Steel players are tinkerers by nature, so no one seems to stay with any one setup for too long, especially newer players.
Just my 2 cents, I'm sure others will chime in.
Good luck with your new steel! |
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Rick Ortega
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Texas, USA
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Posted 10 Nov 2020 7:37 am
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| Joseph Carlson wrote: |
This is pretty much the standard basic copedent, if there were such a thing - http://steelguitar.com/reqS10Tuning.html
Steel players are tinkerers by nature, so no one seems to stay with any one setup for too long, especially newer players.
Just my 2 cents, I'm sure others will chime in.
Good luck with your new steel! |
Thanks, Joseph. I don't think that the LKV is offered on the Jr. Can't wait to get to playing.
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