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Topic: C pedal - flat 7th string? |
Karlis Abolins
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(near) Seattle, WA, USA
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Posted 5 Sep 2020 10:31 am |
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Does anyone flat the 7th string with the C pedal to make it usable with the other F# (4th string) in the F# minor chord (B & C pedals)? I have always missed having a bottom for the F# minor chord. I have contemplated adding a pull on the C pedal to flat it.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 5 Sep 2020 10:52 am
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Yes. I flatten it on the C pedal, and on the A pedal.
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Dale Rivard
From:
Ontario, Canada
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Posted 5 Sep 2020 3:00 pm
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| Hi Karlis, You could also try raising your 8th string a whole tone on the C pedal like Paul Franklin and many others do. You can tune it like the 4th string raise, to be in tune with the chord. I also split tune it with the lower so you can get a nice chromatic run down in the lower register. Plus, there are many other cool things you can do with it. |
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Karlis Abolins
From:
(near) Seattle, WA, USA
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Posted 6 Sep 2020 6:32 am
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My C pedal is pretty stiff. Adding another 2 step raise to it would make it uncomfortable. Flatting the 7th string on the C pedal requires a lot less pressure.
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Dennis Montgomery
From:
Western Washington
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Posted 6 Sep 2020 9:36 am
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| Dale Rivard wrote: |
| Hi Karlis, You could also try raising your 8th string a whole tone on the C pedal like Paul Franklin and many others do. You can tune it like the 4th string raise, to be in tune with the chord. I also split tune it with the lower so you can get a nice chromatic run down in the lower register. Plus, there are many other cool things you can do with it. |
That's how I do it too (though I haven't tried the split). My C pedal raises 4, 5 & 8 a whole step each. What I like most about that is the BC combo adds another minor triad to the standard 8-6-5-4-3 grip 
Also, I set those C pulls to the lightest touch possible bellcrank position vs changer position and am able to handle BC in socks 
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 6 Sep 2020 10:06 am
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| There must be something I didn't understand ! Isn't the 7th string F# already ? |
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Karlis Abolins
From:
(near) Seattle, WA, USA
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Posted 6 Sep 2020 5:39 pm
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John, It depends on the tuning system that you use. If you tune to equal temperament (every note on the tuner is zero offset), you are absolutely correct. However, if you you sweeten your tuning you get conflicts. In the case of the F#, if you sweeten the B chord (lower 8th and 4th strings to d# and pick 8,7,5/7,5,4), and you sweeten the F#minor chord (B+C pedals and pick 6,5,4/5,4,3), you will find that the open 7th string F# and the 4th string C pedal F# are not the same note. There is a difference of 21 cents between the two notes which is noticeable. So if you want to use the 7th string F# with the B+C pedal f#minor chord, you have to compensate for the difference.
The alternative of raising the 8th string to F# also works to solve the issue.
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Sep 2020 8:06 pm
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When I tuned JI, I tuned the 7th string flat and raised it about 10 cents on the E lower lever. That way it was in tune with the 9th string D as well as the C# notes.
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 7 Sep 2020 10:03 am
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| Karlis Abolins wrote: |
John, It depends on the tuning system that you use. If you tune to equal temperament (every note on the tuner is zero offset), you are absolutely correct. However, if you you sweeten your tuning you get conflicts. In the case of the F#, if you sweeten the B chord (lower 8th and 4th strings to d# and pick 8,7,5/7,5,4), and you sweeten the F#minor chord (B+C pedals and pick 6,5,4/5,4,3), you will find that the open 7th string F# and the 4th string C pedal F# are not the same note. There is a difference of 21 cents between the two notes which is noticeable. So if you want to use the 7th string F# with the B+C pedal f#minor chord, you have to compensate for the difference.
The alternative of raising the 8th string to F# also works to solve the issue.
Karlis |
Thanks for the explanations, got it now ! What about a tuning compensator ? Thanks. |
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