D13TH tuning update.

[Greg Cutshaw]

Thanks to Johnny Cox for doing all this work and posting it. It's not often that this type of innovation occurs in the steel guitar world.

This would free up the back neck of an MSA D12/6 for a 6 string dobro tuning! You could play most of the E9, C6 and dobro sounds without sacrificing more than a few more exotic changes. That's the equivalent of 3 tunings crammed into one instrument. I'd like to try it out when I'm in Dallas for this year's Jamboree.

[Pete Burak]

Thanks to Johnny Cox for doing all this work and posting it. It's not often that this type of innovation occurs in the steel guitar world.

This would free up the back neck of an MSA D12/6 for a 6 string dobro tuning! You could play most of the E9, C6 and dobro sounds without sacrificing more than a few more exotic changes. That's the equivalent of 3 tunings crammed into one instrument. I'd like to try it out when I'm in Dallas for this year's Jamboree.

This guy did something similar. He has a 4R/2L Changer finger.
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=354409

Where is the P7 Function on the D13th Copedant?

[Greg Cutshaw]

Pedal 7 is obviously on knee lever RKR.

[Tom Gorr]

It does make sense. Could I change after over 40 years of another tuning? I don't know. If a player started out on this tuning I think they would pick up on it. I have seen clips of Johnny playing this tuning in both styles and it does work.

I've had fragmented coped ideas similar to parts of this one through the years, never could bring myself to commitment - but this one brings a lot of ideas together as one enormous tuning rather than one big tuning like the E9/B6.

If you have a spare A/P uni around, my bet is it's worth exploring. I hope to give it a whirl someday. But yes - it's one more instrument to learn...

[Johnny Cox]

I don't use this tuning as another option. This tuning literally replaced my triple neck that had E13TH, E9th and C6th. It had 9x9.

[bob drawbaugh]

Buddy Emmons went down this road years ago with a very basic version of an E6th tuning. Al Marcus promoted the E6th 12 string tuning also. I have his Carter 12 string I purchased from him before his passing.I think Johnny has prefected the tuning. It's different from most 12 string tunings in that regardless of which side of the tuning you are using the root cord for both is at the same fret. I think thats huge.I will admit that C# between the E and B would make me want to cut my fingers off. LOL No lock, no holding a knee lever for long periods of time. I know you can set up a 12 universal so you don't need a lock or you don't hold the lever for long peroids of time(Larry Bell) But, you're still dealing with two different positions for the root cord in the same key. Johnny's copedent solves both issues.

[Alan Cannell]

I may have missed something but on Greg’s excellent conversion should the P6 pedal show E to Eb instead of E to E.

[Greg Cutshaw]

Darn, 10 years ago I made a mistake and now it's happened again lol. Hopefully the copedant chart is ok now.

Come to think of it a pedal that changes the E string from E to E is quite and innovation. Perhaps an octave move?

[George Geisser]

If a picture is worth a 1000 words, how much is a video worth?
I watched Johnny's YT video and like Jack Cutshaw said
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Thanks to Johnny Cox for doing all this work and posting it. It's not often that this type of innovation occurs in the steel guitar world.
All of life is a tradeoff and there has to be some give and take. As adults we can decide what works for us and take the high road if it doesn't. Enjoy the Video and his explanations. Great guy and great work

https://youtu.be/O50XMV0Wbyk