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Topic: Treble roll off |
Bill Duncan
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Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 27 May 2020 3:29 am |
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| Does anyone else use an onboard treble roll-off on their pedal steel? I have one and also a bypass switch for it and I use the roll-off (a small amount) most of the time. |
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Jerry Van Hoose
From:
Wears Valley, Tennessee
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Posted 27 May 2020 12:49 pm
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Hi Bill, I used to do the same as you, use my onboard tone control to roll off a little bit of the highs. However, I no longer do that after I purchased Brad Sarno’s new Freeloader 2. It sweetens those highs and I no longer have to use the guitars treble control to roll them back.The new Freeloader 2 also has a separate designated tuner out that is a plus.
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 27 May 2020 1:05 pm
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| I do. I made a little box that plugs right into the steel’s output jack with a passive tone control. 710 pickup into pot pedal and Milkman amp is much too bright for my tastes otherwise. Used this setup with several tube amps and both previous steels (70s Sho~Buds.) |
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 27 May 2020 1:06 pm
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Double post
Last edited by Marc Jenkins on 28 May 2020 1:09 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Larry Dering
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 27 May 2020 2:08 pm
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| Marc, what filter cap did you use? And a 250k or 500k pot? |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 27 May 2020 2:13 pm
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| Only my Fender 400 still has a working tone control. But if I want to take some of the "treble edge" off my other guitars before the signal gets to the amp, I just use a longer câble. I used to use George L's câbles, but now, to fit in with the modern trend towards less treble and a "rounder" sound, I'll just use longer cables. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 27 May 2020 2:45 pm
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The Emmons U-12 I played many years ago had a tone control; but, I never cared much for it.
I much prefer the results provided by my Sarno FreeLoader.
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 27 May 2020 3:37 pm
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| Larry Dering wrote: |
| Marc, what filter cap did you use? And a 250k or 500k pot? |
I have no recollection at all! Just opened it up to find a 1 meg pot and .022uF cap. I made this at least 10 years ago, couldn’t live without it!
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Godfrey Arthur
From:
3rd Rock
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Posted 27 May 2020 4:09 pm
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Jimi's treble solution.
Comes in black...
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Larry Dering
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 27 May 2020 6:21 pm
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Marc, cool thanks for the info.
Godfrey, I have a similar coily cord and they were always my favorite from the 60s. |
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John Goux
From:
California, USA
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Posted 27 May 2020 9:56 pm
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I do. A few steels have them, but they have fallen out of favor with builders.
Having it on a bypass switch is nice. Use only if you want it. Even the PP Emmons had the bypass switch way back when.
John |
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Bill Duncan
From:
Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 28 May 2020 2:40 am
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| My control is on board and is a 500k pot and an .047 mfd capacitor. Where I play determines if I use it and how much. A bypass switch allows me to go in and out with it quickly without losing my setting. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 28 May 2020 2:46 am
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| I, too, find a tone control / treble roll-off to be a very musical tool to have on hand but I, too, find that the Sarno Freeloader's control does it much better (even though it is technically not a tone control). |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 28 May 2020 4:33 am
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 28 May 2020 6:42 am
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What's the difference between rolling off the highs with an onboard filter, or a black box, or a long cable, and just doing it on the amp?
What am I missing here?
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Bill Duncan
From:
Lenoir, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 28 May 2020 6:54 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
What's the difference between rolling off the highs with an onboard filter, or a black box, or a long cable, and just doing it on the amp?
What am I missing here? |
On my guitar I like the convenience, simplicity, and the speed at which I can set it or put it in or out of the chain. I also only use an RV3, cord and amp. I am in no way recommending it to anyone else, or saying it is better or best than any other way. |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 28 May 2020 7:21 am
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I used to have a Goodrich 7A Matchbox.
Pretty handy after using it for awhile.
https://goodrichsoundcompany.com/electronics/
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Little Walter PF-89.
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Marc Jenkins
From:
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 28 May 2020 9:11 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
What's the difference between rolling off the highs with an onboard filter, or a black box, or a long cable, and just doing it on the amp?
What am I missing here? |
I like a darker tone. Sometimes. Other times I change it to suit. Also I find all amps too bright for pedal steel. |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 28 May 2020 9:56 am
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| All three of my pedal guitars have a tone pot (although one had been disconnected by a previous owner). I only use it when I plug in a dirt pedal, to roll off the highs and cut the harshness in an effort to make it sound more musical. |
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