Tuning issue w/E strings

Henry Birdsey · Post by **Henry Birdsey** » 30 Mar 2020 4:04 pm

Hey y'all,

I've been playing my Simmons S-10 steel for about half year now.

I keep running into an issue with the E strings not staying in tune when I operate the knee lever associated with those strings. Whether I'm raising or lowering the E's, they rarely return to their original pitch in tune - it's particularly bad when raising E's to F's and back down again. I find that the original E is always 15-45 cents *sharp (when coming down from F) and stays 5-20 cents *flat (when coming up from Eb).

It seems obvious that it's a mechanical issue. A sticky changer? Lubrication somewhere? Any ideas/recommendations welcome.

Thanks,
Henry

Rich Upright · Post by **Rich Upright** » 30 Mar 2020 7:07 pm

Usually, when a regular guitar returns flat or sharp after a bend, 90% of the time it is a problem with the nut.
So, try lubing the rollers at the peghead.

Doug Earnest · Post by **Doug Earnest** » 30 Mar 2020 7:41 pm

When was the last time you put a set of strings on it?

Bobby D. Jones · Post by **Bobby D. Jones** » 30 Mar 2020 9:12 pm

If it is a key head guitar. Check the nut rollers, Make sure they roll smooth in their slot. Check the shaft make sure it is polished and slick. Make sure they are lubed on their bearing surface with the shaft.

Be careful to keep the rollers in order if you must remove them from the guitar. If they get moved you may get a buzz at the first fret.

Good Luck on finding the cause and solution, And to Happy Steelin.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 31 Mar 2020 5:42 am

Another thing is the "lift off". If the drop return spring on the changer finger is not properly adjusted, on an all pull guitar (I don't know what the Simmons is) you can have tuning problems.

If the spring is not tight enough, when you raise it the lower will tend to lower first. The spring needs adjusted so the lower does not move when raised. This can cause the string to go out of tune.

Marco Schouten · Post by **Marco Schouten** » 31 Mar 2020 8:05 am

Try to string the guitar as straight as possible, so that from the roller nut to the tuning it is in one line with the whole string

Henry Birdsey · Post by **Henry Birdsey** » 2 Apr 2020 5:13 am

Thanks so much everyone for the input.

- Henry

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » 2 Apr 2020 7:29 am

If your problem is with friction at the nut, a raise will return flat and a lower will return sharp.

Jon Light · Post by **Jon Light** » 2 Apr 2020 9:28 am

That's a pull-release guitar, isn't it?
An examination of the fundamental setup may be in order. It can sometimes be better to undo everything (related to those strings) and start from scratch.

Here is a tutorial:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=352864

Larry Bressington · Post by **Larry Bressington** » 7 Apr 2020 6:11 pm

First thing I do when thereâ€™s a binding is Check your pull rod free play at rest, at changer end, make sure she got a little wiggle room. If thatâ€™s all good, it might need some oil. Check return springs... 90% of the time the nylons are too tight up against the changer, depending on the room temperature it struggles to seat back at the rest bar or barely makes it. Donâ€™t dig too deep or make major adjustments, if thatâ€™s the case you need more pull room with your lever which is easily adjustable from your lever stop screw.