D13TH video

[Johnny Cox]

I did a little video on my D13TH tuning.
https://youtu.be/O50XMV0Wbyk

[gary pierce]

Thanks for posting Johnny, and sounds great.

[John Sluszny]

Very interesting indeed, would it be possible to post the copedent of this tuning ? Thanks.

[Johnny Cox]

Very interesting indeed, would it be possible to post the copedent of this tuning ? Thanks.

Here you go
LKR splits with RKL giving the Ds - D#
LKLI splits with P1 giving the normal split on E9th.
P2 + LKR is C pedal

This is the way I like it to have the minimum amount of pedals and knee levers. Also in D it's only a whole tone away from both E9th and C6th. It could be done in E. Also if a player prefers an Emmons setup that's easy to do too. Some players might want the normal C pedal, in that case the LKR would just raise a half tone. It adds one floor pedal that way. My goal was to get everything I had on my D12 and my old triple neck Zum in one tuning with the least amount of pedals and knees. And I have achieved that.

[Rob Segal]

Just great! In every way.

For just one question of many, what speakers and cab's are you using with your Quilter 202 amphead?

Thank you for sharing!

[Larry Dering]

That's crazy good stuff. Interesting tuning and great tone. Johnny has got an amazing and neat set up.

[Johnny Cox]

Just great! In every way.

For just one question of many, what speakers and cab's are you using with your Quilter 202 amphead?

Thank you for sharing!

I'm using the TT12 combo which has the Travis Toy Eminence speaker. I just have an extra speaker cabinet.

[Jack Stanton]

Great demo, Johnny! The older I get the more I realize at some point if I'm going to keep gigging out I'm going to probably have to consider a single tuning. This looks really interesting.

[Rob Segal]

Thanks Johnny, sounds really good-

[Dave Grothusen]

looks and sounds good, 50 years too late for me

[Bill C. Buntin]

Johnny this is awesome.

I’m really leaning towards a new msa, but Kyle has a 13 month lead time right now.

I’m wanting to find a decent old 12 string and would really like to try your setup.

I like the fact that it’s not a typical universal. It reminds me of morrells e13 with pedals

Your video is great, thanks for posting and sharing


Bill

[Ron Hogan]

Could the tuning be used without the Franklin pedal? Is that pedal integral to something else?

[Johnny Cox]

Could the tuning be used without the Franklin pedal? Is that pedal integral to something else?

Ron it can. Do you lower the 5th string on C6th? That is the same change in this tuning.

[Ron Hogan]

Yes I do Johnny. So it's a keeper.

I'm really toying with the idea of experimenting with this. Need to find an S12, nothings fancy or even pretty. That way I can still play my D10's, but see what I can milk and get use to out of it.

What I hear thus far with your samples,it covers about all you could want.

What do you miss in your opinion vs. your C6?

Thx,
Ron

[Len Amaral]

Beautiful setup. Great playing👍

[Johnny Cox]

Yes I do Johnny. So it's a keeper.

I'm really toying with the idea of experimenting with this. Need to find an S12, nothings fancy or even pretty. That way I can still play my D10's, but see what I can milk and get use to out of it.

What I hear thus far with your samples,it covers about all you could want.

What do you miss in your opinion vs. your C6?

Thx,
Ron

Ron, I think Johnnie King has a GFI SD12 for sale. The jury is still out on the C pedal. If I can get a half stop to work properly raising the Ds to Eb-E then I will leave it off. And it can be setup with Emmons A&B too.

[Jack Goodson]

Johnny what are the string gauges? Also if I put this on a 14 string guitar what would I tune the 2 bottom strings? Thanks jack

[Sonny Jenkins]

Jack, I think b0b has some D13 sets already set up with proper gauges

[Tom Gorr]

I play two footed on 6th mostly using right foot to toggle P7.

I would prefer only 5 knees on my existing rig. Could I add another lever???? Dont want to.

If you had to put one knee combo on a pedal - what would it be and where would it go?

Part 2: i play alot of my 6th tuning out of S9 (F) root with the 9764 grip and moving to the 8653 grip. What does that imply as far as RKR for this approach.

[Johnny Cox]

Johnny what are the string gauges? Also if I put this on a 14 string guitar what would I tune the 2 bottom strings? Thanks jack

Jack, Bob does have a set of strings for this tuning. As for two more strings I would probably add a G between the A and E then maybe a low G on the 14th .

[Johnny Cox]

I play two footed on 6th mostly using right foot to toggle P7.

I would prefer only 5 knees on my existing rig. Could I add another lever???? Dont want to.

If you had to put one knee combo on a pedal - what would it be and where would it go?

Part 2: i play alot of my 6th tuning out of S9 (F) root with the 9764 grip and moving to the 8653 grip. What does that imply as far as RKR for this approach.

If you don't want the 6th lever you will lose that chance. This tuning is set up in such a manner that two feet are never necessary. As far as grips you just skip the 8th string to get your normal C6th groupings with RKR engaged.

[Herb Steiner]

John!
JayDee pulled me aside this weekend and absolutely RAVED about your video and the new tuning! After watching the video I completely agree. Brilliant tuning, my friend. And your playing is great. I'm now looking for a 12-string!

[John Sluszny]

Very interesting indeed, would it be possible to post the copedent of this tuning ? Thanks.

Here you go
LKR splits with RKL giving the Ds - D#
LKLI splits with P1 giving the normal split on E9th.
P2 + LKR is C pedal

This is the way I like it to have the minimum amount of pedals and knee levers. Also in D it's only a whole tone away from both E9th and C6th. It could be done in E. Also if a player prefers an Emmons setup that's easy to do too. Some players might want the normal C pedal, in that case the LKR would just raise a half tone. It adds one floor pedal that way. My goal was to get everything I had on my D12 and my old triple neck Zum in one tuning with the least amount of pedals and knees. And I have achieved that.

Thank you ! 👍😉

[Johnny Cox]

John!
JayDee pulled me aside this weekend and absolutely RAVED about your video and the new tuning! After watching the video I completely agree. Brilliant tuning, my friend. And your playing is great. I'm now looking for a 12-string!

Herb, that's quite the compliment coming from you an JayDee. Come to the house one day and you can play around with my guitar.

[Bill Hatcher]

JC.

i watched your video and it was wonderful. but i noticed that you really dont play those low strings all that much.

so that having been said...may i ask you a question.

in all your working out of this tuning did you ever consider using the last two strings for two pitches that were higher and would work better in the more baritone area rather than down low in the bass register. hearing all those nice chords you played when you referenced the C6 stuff made me think about extending the chords down a bit in the baritone register for clarity rather than down in the low area for tonic notes that the bassist in the ensemble would be covering anyway.

just wondered if you ever considered that and what you might have tuned them to.

PS. you have the triple neck pedal guitar!! i have been trying to remember here on the forum who had that and i saw you say something about it. do you have any video of you playing that?