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Buddy Charleston emmons d-10 ??

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just wondering about buddy's emmons he is playing in this clip. it's got such great tone and i know it has to do also with buddy's playing. but does any one know about this steel also what amp was he playing thru
where is that steel now??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK_qrg4Jz20

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The steel playing is indeed splendid, as is BC's tone.

I hadn't realised that Mr Tubb was so 'pitchy'! Not the genre's greatest singer.
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Ernest wasn't the best singer but he always had a great band behind him, bless his heart. :D
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The amp is a Sho-Bud Compactra 100. It is a 38 watt amp built for Sho-Bud by Jim Evans. Great tone.
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Did Bud Charleston Know Buddy Emmonds?
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Who's Buddy Emmonds?
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Buddy Charleston's first cousin.
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Do you think Buddy Charleton and Buddy Emmons could be related? :roll:
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Textbook Emmons guitar tone!
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Why can't bands today dress nice like E.T.'s band.
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They'd look too country. :roll:
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This is a great clip. Says this is from 1968, which looks correct. Note the wood-necked Emmons p/p with an apparently covered-up name plate, which I presume has a bolt-on changer like every other wood-necked Emmons p/p I've seen. I have one of Buddy's wood-necked push pulls, red/orange-burst lacquer body but otherwise looks exactly like this. I think the wood-necked bolt-on push pulls I've played have a distinctive tone, I love mine.

I saw ET a number of times, starting in the early-mid 70s. I know he sang flat a lot, but I think even that was not totally consistent - there were times I saw him when he was in good voice. Regardless, I personally love his voice, the word authentic slaps me in the face.
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john widgren wrote:Did Bud Charleston Know Buddy Emmonds?
He certainly knew of Buddy E, he succeeded Buddy E in the band: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Tubb

and then he inspired Buddy Cage http://www.thecoolgroove.com/cage.html
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It appears that not everyone has their humor dial on the same setting
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I love those hats. Giant crispy taco shells!

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Buddy Charleton’s Tone

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I think what set Ernest apart and what makes him so endearing today is, and we agree that he sung flat and sharp, was a myriad of factors: 1. He and the band members dressed like country royalty; and that was what people paid to see. 2. He had the “hottest” band in country music-hands down! 3. He stayed after the show until everyone who asked for an autograph or picture got one. 4. The sincerity of his talent showed through in every song. 6. The price for an Ernest Tubb show was comparatively reasonable to others in the business. 7. And of course, it didn’t hurt to have one of the most popular country t.v shows.
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Buddy Charlton did indeed know Buddy Emmons quite well. When taking lessons from BC at Billy Cooper's shop, if there was no lesson scheduled immediately after mine he would share some experiences regarding his time with the Ernest Tubb band and also about Buddy Emmons.
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Love this. And check out that Ampeg fretless scroll bass -- don't see those very often.
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Ugh! Never mind...
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worth mentioning this clip was recorded in the late 60s, some 25 years after ET's first big hits... not the best example of the man's singing.

but Ernest himself knew he wasn't a particularly great singer and actually attributed much of his success to the idea that many of his fans liked him because they "could sing it just as good". I'm sure his humility and sense of humor also played a part in his success :)

the guys look and sound fantastic here. any idea why Buddy C covered up the Emmons logo on his guitar? or what he covered it with?
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who is buddy charleston?

who is buddy charlton?...
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I go by Buddy Charlatan
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Re: Buddy Charleton’s Tone

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David Zornes wrote:I think what set Ernest apart and what makes him so endearing today is, and we agree that he sung flat and sharp, was a myriad of factors: 1. He and the band members dressed like country royalty; and that was what people paid to see. 2. He had the “hottest” band in country music-hands down! 3. He stayed after the show until everyone who asked for an autograph or picture got one. 4. The sincerity of his talent showed through in every song. 6. The price for an Ernest Tubb show was comparatively reasonable to others in the business. 7. And of course, it didn’t hurt to have one of the most popular country t.v shows.
I agree. And from what I've heard, he had class and was a gentleman. He certainly had style. He had a career that lasted about half a century, a voice that was instantly recognizable, and became a country music legend. And he did it all singing a little off key. :)

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I didn't mean to ruffle feathers with my criticism of ET's voice. I suppose I need to remember that he was an 'institution' and loved by many.

Growing up in Britain I wasn't aware of him and it wasn't until I became interested in steel guitar and its more highly renowned players that the Troubadours got my attention (for obvious reasons). Therefore my impressions of Ernest are purely a reaction to what I hear. I simply can't enjoy his vocals, as out-of-tune as they are.

George Jones, Lefty, Haggard, Randy Travis? They're another story!
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I really preferred Charleton's sound playing Sho~Buds. When he switched to Emmons (which was very near the end of his stint with ET), there was something that was just "missing" from his playing, and he sounded too much like everyone else in Nashville (the many players who were also playing Emmons guitars). After he played the Emmons for awhile, he even said he preferred it, but some (like myself) longed for the old sounds.

I suppose this has something to do with my personal desire for variety. Yes, the Emmons guitars sound great. But like today's ubiquitous crunchy Telecaster, they became overused, and sounded almost trite after awhile. It's sorta like the "hillbilly/southern twang" that all the top country vocalists these days seem to have drifted towards. IMHO, that's one of the reasons that individuality in sound and presentation has really gone downhill. Everything in mainstream country music looks and sounds pretty much the same...and that's by design. :?

Say what you will about Tubb, Price, Pierce, Owens, and most of the popular country singers of the golden age of country music. There was no mistaking who was singing, and they didn't endeavor to sound alike or copy each other.
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