A good 6 string lap tuning other than c6

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A good 6 string lap tuning other than c6

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Hi, I've been playing C6 lap steel for 7 or so years (in addition to E9 pedal). I just picked up a National Dynamic and am looking for suggestions on a second lap steel tuning to get into. I've consider doing an open D or G but I'm curious to what some other traditional tunings that would be good to look into.

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E6th! It works for me.
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Check out this version of E9th:

E
B
G#
F#
E
D

Jerry Byrd used it to great effect on his Admirable Byrd LP and a lot of Leon McAuliffe's bluesier playing can be heard on this tuning (it's the top 5 strings of his 8-string tuning). It's a very versatile tuning.
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Keeping the same string set (assuming you are playing C6 with a high E) you can retune to A6 - having the 5th note on top really makes a difference to how the tunig feels. Also Am6 is cool for songs in a minor key like Rambling Man (High to low - E C A F# E C).
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This E7:
High to low-
E
B
G#
E
D
B
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Jeff Mead wrote:Keeping the same string set (assuming you are playing C6 with a high E) you can retune to A6 - having the 5th note on top really makes a difference to how the tunig feels. Also Am6 is cool for songs in a minor key like Rambling Man (High to low - E C A F# E C).
Scott Duckworth wrote:This E7:
High to low-
E
B
G#
E
D
B
Which can also be E13 by raising the 2nd string B to C# --and it can retune to A6 also.

I often use A6, C6, E7 and E13 on the same steel as one set of strings can handle all these tunings.


This is a good option.
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Post by Dom Franco »

A6th hi to lo:
E
C#
A
F#
E
C#
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If you're into Hawaiian, the original Hawaiian tuning was A, high or low bass.
This is what I use, high bass:
E
C#
A
E
C#
A
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B11th! A beautiful tuning that is deserves more play than it seems to get. Great for dominant sounds and you still have A6th on top.

E
C#
A
F#
D#
C# or B
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Andy Volk wrote:B11th! A beautiful tuning that is deserves more play than it seems to get. Great for dominant sounds and you still have A6th on top.

E
C#
A
F#
D#
C# or B


and an easy re-tune from A6
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tuning up from A6 to B11

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David, what about the extra tension on the strings and neck if you tune up to B11 from A6?
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What extra tension? :whoa:
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Post by Keith Glendinning »

Actually Mike, the B11 tuning drops the E down to D# from a standard A6 tuning, so the half note isn't a problem with tension for either tuning. I have used the same gauge of strings for C6, A6, E13 and B11 and it's not too bad.
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Post by Mike Harris »

Keith, of course, thanks--I was having a moment of confusion (my usual six-string tuning is dobro GBDGBD so I was thinking AC#EAC#E rather than C#EF#AC#E). It did say A6 but I misfigured.
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David, Andy Volk posted here earlier - I have no idea how familiar you are with his lap/non-pedal related books, but I am going to put in a plug for the one below. It's my well worn copy of his Slide Rules book. Thin, inexpensive, but loaded with great information.

Regarding just the 6 string tunings, and we know more than this total exist but you have to stop somewhere - it would be enough to keep one busy for a few lifetimes - there are 42 included in the book. There are also quite a few 8 string as well as a handful of 10 string tunings.

Everyone who plays lap or non-pedal steel would benefit from Slide Rules.



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Post by Scott Thomas »

If you are into c. 1930s Hawaiian sounds a la Dick McIntire and Andy Iona, then you might like C#m7

E C# G# E B E (hi to lo)

You can also get to F#9 from there:

E C# G# E A# F# (hi to lo)

Really lush sounding 9th chord strum on the bottom.
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Wow I just tried A6 as described here after only using C6 previously (on an 8 string) and it seems far superior. Other than losing a bit of range maybe, what’s the disadvantage? Why is c6 so much more popular?
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Re: tuning up from A6 to B11

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Mike Harris wrote:David, what about the extra tension on the strings and neck if you tune up to B11 from A6?
Keith Glendinning wrote:Actually Mike, the B11 tuning drops the E down to D# from a standard A6 tuning, so the half note isn't a problem with tension for either tuning. I have used the same gauge of strings for C6, A6, E13 and B11 and it's not too bad.
That's correct. Add E7 to the list too.
Scott Thomas wrote:If you are into c. 1930s Hawaiian sounds a la Dick McIntire and Andy Iona, then you might like C#m7

E C# G# E B E (hi to lo)

You can also get to F#9 from there:

E C# G# E A# F# (hi to lo)

Really lush sounding 9th chord strum on the bottom.
This works with a set of strings that could also tune to A low bass, and open E.
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Mark Eaton wrote:David, Andy Volk posted here earlier - I have no idea how familiar you are with his lap/non-pedal related books, but I am going to put in a plug for the one below.
Andy's books are great!
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Post by Erv Niehaus »

The trouble with adding extra notes to a 6 string tuning is you limit the range.
When I got into the alternative tunings I went to an 8 string guitar.
When I play a 6 string guitar I stick to the straight major tunings. :D
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Re: tuning up from A6 to B11

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David M Brown wrote:
This works with a set of strings that could also tune to A low bass, and open E.
Right David. On an old Sol Hoopii comp on Rounder, the liner notes describe his evolution from an A major, to E to C#minor. Jerry Byrd's big book also teaches tunings in the order of how they evolved. I look at this stuff as part of the history of the instrument.
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Re: tuning up from A6 to B11

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Scott Thomas wrote:
David M Brown wrote:
This works with a set of strings that could also tune to A low bass, and open E.
Right David. On an old Sol Hoopii comp on Rounder, the liner notes describe his evolution from an A major, to E to C#minor. Jerry Byrd's big book also teaches tunings in the order of how they evolved. I look at this stuff as part of the history of the instrument.
Well, it is part of the history of lap steel.

I found that I keeping 2 steels, one with strings for the A6-C6-E7-E13-B11 family and a set of strings for the A low bass, E, C#m7, F#9 tunings, allows for easy tuning to any of those tunings.
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