Disadvantages to equal-spaced strings (nut and bridge)

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James Inkster
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Disadvantages to equal-spaced strings (nut and bridge)

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Hi guys!

I'm building a new 8-string lap steel and I've been thinking about going with equally spaced strings (3/8") at both the nut and bridge.

On both my old bakelite rick and my dobro the spacing is wider at the bridge than the nut.
Is that done for a reason, or just tradition?

It seems equally spaced would make sense, and might even make slants easier?

Are there any drawbacks to equally spaced?
Would other steel players look at it as wonky?

Cheers!
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Bill Sinclair
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Post by Bill Sinclair »

I've seen a number of six string guitars with 3/8" parallel spacing and it's my favorite arrangement. Eight strings with 3/8" spacing at the bridge and nut does look a little funny to me but I think that's just because I'm not as accustomed to it. If you decide it's not for you, you could just replace the nut.
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Post by Thiel Hatt »

The narrower spacing at the nut might accomodate forward and reverse bar slants when you are using the round nose of the bar to get three string chords.. Then, of course that would vary, depending on the diameter of the bar..Frankly, it's a matter of preference.. The pedal-Dobro I made (and sold) had the equal spacing, and it worked fine for me...In this application is there really a wrong or right ??
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Post by Francisco Castillo »

I changed the nut in my Gretsch 5700 to try equally spaced nut n bridge. Super comfortable.
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Post by David Matzenik »

When I built my 8 string guitar, I gave the fretboard a slight taper purely for aesthetics. My concern was the spacing at the picking end, which I find comfortable at 7/16ths. That makes the nut spacing 3/8ths. I have never been aware of facility or otherwise with slants. Once I get the bar near the notes, I am playing by ear because I cannot see the frets. Works for me.
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Post by Bill Sinclair »

If you look at the trigonometry of bar slants: the closer the strings are to each other, the more acute the angle of slant needs to be. So, to my thinking, a wider string spacing should be better for slants. Of course, at some point covering the strings adequately with the bar becomes more difficult as the string spacing is increased. I think 3/8" at the nut would be the happy medium for me. At least for now. :?
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Post by Don Barnhardt »

If you are comfortable playing with equal (parallel) spacing it's an advantage. If it's uncomfortable it' a disadvantage the only way you'll know is to try it. I've tried it bot ways and I'm comfortable with it on 6 string but not on 8 string. I like 7/16" parallel on 6 string,but I prefer 3/8" at the bridge and 5/16" at the nut for 8 string.
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Post by Dom Franco »

The only real reason to have closer spacing at the nut was originally due to the standard guitarists need to be able to wrap fingers around the neck to fret all the strings. (for open chords)

Because the steel guitar evolved from fretted instruments, makers continued the practice of tapering the necks (and nut spacing) on steel guitars.

As stated above most of us learned on instruments with tighter spacing on the lower fret positions.

However now that I build my own steel guitars I prefer the wider 3/8" and parallel strings.

Dom.
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Post by Keith Glendinning »

I'm a bedroom and occasional "get together" player. I make my own Lap Steel guitars and both 6 string and 8 string guitars that I have made so far have had 3/8" parallel spacing.
I have made guitars between 22.5" scale and 25" scale lengths and have never had a problem with finding comfortable slants.
It's all doable if you practice.
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Post by Jim Pitman »

An advantage of equal spaced at nut and bridge is that bar slants have one less variable to deal with.
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Post by David Mason »

I'm not sure if the assumption that unequal spacing makes for less in-tuneness for threebees is correct? And then of course, fourbees even more so... I'm trying to do the physics in my head without even knowing what physics apply. Besides the likely... umm... inattention of the Steel Guitar Bar Slant In-Tuneness Police (ha ha, just go fast and hose the goobers!) is this even real? :?:
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Post by David Knutson »

Hi James, Just my two cents (Canadian) here - When I built my eight string steel I puzzled over exactly this question, and finally decided to go with the same spacing as my 8 string reso, the Gold Tone PBS I bought from you. 5/16 nut, 3/8 bridge(+-). I'm glad I did that, as I switch back and forth between them a lot. I don't know if you do much slanting on your Dobros, but just thought I'd toss out the consistency idea.
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Think about this !

Post by Tommy Auldridge »

I'm Thinking, wouldn't bar slants be easier if the taper were actually wider at the nut than at the bridge? Down near the nut, the frets are farther apart, so I think it makes more sense. I know that's completely backwards from the normal way they were always designed and built, but it makes more sense. Think about that for a minute. Thanks, Tommy.....
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