C6: What else goes with the C’s->C#’s raise?

David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 6 Dec 2005 2:59 am

I am planning on adding a raise on a pedal or knee to raise strings 3 and maybe 7 by 1/2 step, and I would like to know which of the other standard changes this raise is often used in conjunction with. I will be better able to figure out where to put it if I know which other combinations it is usually used with. I’m going to be adding the A’s->A#’s on a knee, I use a high G, I’m dropping the standard 4th pedal, and the rest of my pedals are standard.

I am planning on keeping the levers that I already have: C->B, both A’s->Ab’s, G->F and (high) E->D. Would it be less than ideal to put the C raise(s) on pedal 4? What combinations should I look for? Some raise string 7 from C->C# too, some don’t?

bob grossman · Post by **bob grossman** » 6 Dec 2005 6:07 am

David:

Some use the C-C# change with the G-F# change to get an A6 chord (E C# A F#). for those who have a D as the first string, it replaces the high open C6 chord (with G on top) by moving up three frets and engaging those two changes.

Food for thought: If you have a G on top, do you need this C-C# change?

Another thing would be the reverse of the #9 chord with P8 (?). In this case the C# would be the higher note. I haven't tried it, but i'm sure some have.

A change I wouldn't mind having would be raising the G to G#. This gives an aug. 7 with the A to Bb change. Works nicely to play a 7th then an aug. 7th as passing chords. There are other ways of getting this on the "standard" setup though. But this gets it in the 1,2,5 positions rather than moving somewhere else.

My 2 cents..

Drew Howard · Post by **Drew Howard** » 6 Dec 2005 7:16 am

Raising your third string to C# in conjunction with pedal 5 gets you a higher inversion of a 6th chord, like if you had a high G in your tuning (what Bob said). From the no-pedals I chord move up three frets and kick in pedal the C raise and pedal 5.

Also, raising your C with pedal 6 gives you an augmented 7th (7#5).

cheers,
Drew

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[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 06 December 2005 at 07:17 AM.]

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 6 Dec 2005 7:24 am

And, of course, if you use it 3 frets up from home base without the 5th pedal, you get another inversion of the dominant 7th chord. I think of it like using the E to F KL on E9.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 6 Dec 2005 7:37 am

I put it on my LKL, just like the F lever on E9th. It seems real natural there. It's my most used knee lever on C6th.

Bob Grossman asked: "If you have a G on top, do you need this C-C# change?" I have a high G string. It's the 7th of the A chord created by the C to C# lever. Some people use the lever to regain parts that they learned with high G and lost when they switched to high D. Having a high G doesn't make the lever less useful, though. The chord transitions with the lever are more useful than the high G string, in my opinion.

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David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 7 Dec 2005 3:10 pm

Bump - odd, I thought people around here often had... opinions, about stuff like this.... it sounds like the 4th pedal is the best place for C->C#?

johnopsg · Post by **johnopsg** » 7 Dec 2005 3:42 pm

I agree with B0B, and Bob, but I have this C6th change on a Mid-left KR, because I use it most often with P-6, P-5, and P-8...if you have it on LKL like on the E-F E9th, how do you reach the P-6, &8 pedals....I play older guitars, so I can't cross-over?
I use this change alot, like B0B siad he did.
Regards, JohnO