Thoughts on Dire Wolf. Deadhead Trigger warning.

Neal Vosberg · Post by **Neal Vosberg** » 19 Jul 2018 6:42 pm

I was just listening back to the Grateful Dead song Dire Wolf with new ears, since I've been at the steel for a bit. All things considered, I still think its impressive. However, knowing what little I know now, I think he overplayed. I would have kept the intro, kept the solo, but it seems like he just tries to outline every change and vocal line that it gets too much. To compare it to another song that brought the steel into the mainstream, Judy Collins "Someday Soon", Buddy has a verse or two that he pads the whole time, but if you listen carefully he lays out quite a bit as well. At least a verse if not two he is out. It was done masterfully.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 19 Jul 2018 6:52 pm

On this song they "feature" Jerry's Steel playing, so it's not technically "overplaying".

Here it is:
Dire Wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBua6awzByg

Neal Vosberg · Post by **Neal Vosberg** » 19 Jul 2018 7:11 pm

I knew there would be a rebuttal from an Oregonian! Former one here, Eugene for about 30 years

Jim Robbins · Post by **Jim Robbins** » 19 Jul 2018 7:30 pm

Hal Rugg on the live version of 'Fist City', Lloyd Green on Sweetheart of the Rodeo, all kinds of Gram Parson's / FBB. Lots of great steel players play throughout the song if it makes sense. Listen to Garcia's steel on Stella Blue - about as restrained and effective as could be. There are different approaches for different arrangements and different effects.

PS I lived in Oregon for a few months teaching at Reed back in the day so trigger warning accepted.

John Goux · Post by **John Goux** » 19 Jul 2018 8:03 pm

Here is another fine Garcia steel track, â€œthe Pride of Cucamongaâ€

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSnOZy955U

Not fair to compare Judy Collins â€œSomeday Soonâ€ to Grateful Dead â€œDire Wolfâ€.

First, Buddy is arguably the greatest steel player of all time, been playing since he was a lad. This is one of his gems. On this well produced LA session he is sourounded by a stellar cast including Stills and James Burton.

Garcia had been playing steel a few years at this point. Letâ€™s not forget that he co-wrote the song, and sings lead on it as well(and the lions share of the whole album). Itâ€™s a sparse arrangement of mostly acoustic instruments. No other stars to trade fills with. What he did was right for the song.

Both wonderful songs, perfectly produced in their own way, and both with great pedal steel performances.

No reason not to love â€˜em both for what they are!

John

Dave Zirbel · Post by **Dave Zirbel** » 19 Jul 2018 8:14 pm

Here is another fine Garcia steel track, â€œthe Pride of Cucamongaâ€

It is actually John McFee playing the steel on that track John!

Dennis Montgomery · Post by **Dennis Montgomery** » 19 Jul 2018 8:55 pm

My thought on Dire Wolf is simple...it's the reason I decided to learn pedal steel

John Goux · Post by **John Goux** » 20 Jul 2018 12:06 am

Dave I noticed that in the YT comments. McFee was not credited on the album.
Itâ€™s an excellent performance regardless of who played it.
John
PS. I do remember reading an interview with Garcia, where he basically said it was too difficult to play both instruments well so he was letting PSG go.

chuck lemasters · Post by **chuck lemasters** » 20 Jul 2018 3:53 am

Forty years ago I spent hours with this song on the turntable beside my steel. Still sounds good to me.

Eric Dahlhoff · Post by **Eric Dahlhoff** » 20 Jul 2018 7:15 am

John Goux wrote: No reason not to love â€˜em both for what they are!
John

I love them both

And sure wish I could play that sweetly!

Fred Treece · Post by **Fred Treece** » 20 Jul 2018 8:32 am

John Goux wrote:PS. I do remember reading an interview with Garcia, where he basically said it was too difficult to play both instruments well so he was letting PSG go.

John McFee doesnâ€™t seem to have had a problem with it. Plus fiddle & mandolin, and singing. He could probably make music with a Vitamix.

Rusty Young more or less dropped pedal steel after he became a bandleader/frontman/songwriter. I know Jerry Garcia said what he said, but I believe he meant something a little more complicated.

Jim Fogarty · Post by **Jim Fogarty** » 20 Jul 2018 9:36 am

You have to remember, Garcia was a huge Clarence White fan. If you hear CW on his B-Bender tele and put it next to Jerry's PSG playing, you can really hear the similarities in phrasing and how much and where he plays.

I know some people think Clarence overplayed, too.......but that's in the context of more restrained country radio focused songs. That wasn't what these guys were going for.

FWIW, I think Jerry also sounds a lot like Mooney.

Rich Upright · Post by **Rich Upright** » 21 Jul 2018 9:25 am

"Dire Wolf" was one of the first steel tunes I ever heard, & I have no problem with someone overplaying steel as long as it is tasteful, which Jerry's playing is on that particular song.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 21 Jul 2018 5:07 pm

Garciaâ€™s playing is so evocative and deeply musical that I am usually carried away before I am able to analyze it.

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 21 Jul 2018 6:27 pm

Bob Hoffnar wrote:Garciaâ€™s playing is so evocative and deeply musical that I am usually carried away before I am able to analyze it.

Well stated.. I have always felt the exact same way.. Jerry was not technician on steel, but his musical sensibilities overcame any technical deficiencies he may have had.. He had a great "inner clock" and was very tasteful.. He just knew what would fit.. His very unique, very distinctive tone on that old ZB helped as well...bob

Bobby Nelson · Post by **Bobby Nelson** » 22 Jul 2018 1:34 am

Haven't listened to that in years - my favorite Dead album - reminds me of mis-spent youth on hot Carolina summer nights in the woods with girls in hippie dresses.

Dennis Montgomery · Post by **Dennis Montgomery** » 22 Jul 2018 10:14 am

Anyone wishing to learn Jerry's intro and solo should check out this excellent vid. There are a few floating around on youtube, but I think this one is the best. Josh does a great job of fully explaining every move so even a beginner can follow along.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6CmWi8zkc

There are also a few transcriptions floating around here if you run a "dire wolf" search on the transcription forum, but I learned much more transcribing it myself from Josh's vid

Pete McAvity · Post by **Pete McAvity** » 28 Jul 2018 7:39 am

Buddy Cage didn't lay back much on NRPS stuff, and no toes get stepped on.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 28 Jul 2018 7:48 am

My take on Dire Wolf (with some necessary digression):
Jerry Garcia was to the pedal steel what John Duffey was to the mandolin.
Both of them played in tune, and in time, but almost EVERY other player would have to say "I don't think I'd have put that there."
BUT in the context of the rest of the song, and the band they're in at the time, what they played WORKED.
It may be saying something from out of left field, but it's saying something interesting.
Look at the next album from the Dead (American Beauty).
I don't know of a single steel player who would have put those lines in Sugar Magnolia: we'd have put something different, more 'steely'. But those were some cool lines.
Dire Wolf was overplayed because they wanted that sound.
PS: as a further digression, I talked to Sonny Osborne in the late 90s about all those records where I thought (and still do) that Hal Rugg overplayed, even pushing Sonny's banjo aside. Sonny said something like "of course he was. Because he was told to, and we were happy that he did. We sold a lot of bluegrass records to country fans because he was."

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 28 Jul 2018 9:07 am

Back in what we call classic country, their was a lot of what we call "over playing". On record and live. We all loved it. It never really took away from the singer or the song.

Loretta Lynn was mentioned. Listen to her records. Hal Rugg was all over the place. Live, Bob Hempker (I imagine) was expected to cover the licks on the record. He did an excellent job with Loretta. He and David Thornhill were my favorite steel/ guitar player combo.