Extended E9th 12 string

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 28 Feb 2002 11:35 am

Anyone have one with the 11th string G#,and the 12th string E? What is your pedal and knee lever set-up? If you care to post. Thanks.

Paul Graupp · Post by **Paul Graupp** » 28 Feb 2002 12:01 pm

Kenny: I have the arrangement you mentioned.
About the only thing I think is different on my setup is that I pull the 11-G# up to an A#
which with my C pedal gives me an open F#7th in an open position. From low (12) to high (7) the notes run:F#-A#-C#-D-E-F#.

The other changes on these strings are standard but I don't raise or lower the E (12) with the high E (4) and middle E (8) strings with the LKL and LKR knees.

Regards, Paul

rhcarden · Post by **rhcarden** » 28 Feb 2002 1:18 pm

Thanks Jim!

This is what I've got on my BMI.

<pre> 13 String Extended E-9TH / E-13th Tuning

LKL1 LKL2 LKV1 LKV2 LKR 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 RKL RKR
1 F# G/G#
2 D# E D/C#
3 G# A A
4 E D# F F#
5 B C D A C# Bb C#
6 G# F# A B A
7 F# G G# F
8 E D# F
9 D C#
10 B C C#
11 G# A
12 F#
13 E D </pre>

Pedal 6 is the E-13th and pedal 7 is like pedal 6 on the C-6th tuning when use with pedal 6. The knee levers can be used with either the E-9th or E-13th tuning.

[This message was edited by rhcarden on 28 February 2002 at 07:59 PM.][This message was edited by rhcarden on 28 February 2002 at 08:21 PM.]

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 28 Feb 2002 1:39 pm

You forgot the UBB tab codes.

Here's your setup:

<pre>LKL1 LKL2 LKV1 LKV2 LKR 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 RKL RKR
1 F# G/G#
2 D# E D/C#
3 G# A A
4 E D# F F#
5 B C D A C# Bb C#
6 G# F# A B A
7 F# G G# F
8 E D# F
9 D C#
10 B C C#
11 G# A
12 F#
13 E D</pre>

(That didn't work too well either, maybe you have some tabs instead of space hidden in there.

[This message was edited by Jim Smith on 28 February 2002 at 01:42 PM.]

Jerry Hayes · Post by **Jerry Hayes** » 1 Mar 2002 7:19 am

I used the E9/B6 Universal for over 20 years but last August I went to an extended E9 tuning. I call it my 12 string Mooney tuning. Here's how it goes:

___<_^_>_1_2_3_4_5_6__<__>
F#________________________
C#_D__D#_________________
G#___________A___________
E______________F#_____F_D#
B____A#___C#____C#_______
G#___________A___A_A#____
F#_______G#_______________
E_____________________F_D#
C#_D______________________
B__________________________
A______________G#__________
E__________________________

It's really simple and I love it. I'm going to put the Universal on another guitar but I think this will remain my "Money Axe".
I missed one change on pedal one! It also lowers string 3 to G.......

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Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney tuning.

[This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 01 March 2002 at 07:22 AM.]

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 1 Mar 2002 9:46 am

Mine's pretty simple:

I experiment a lot with the first pedal. I'm sure that the chart isn't right as of today, but it might be right tomorrow.

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Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (F Diatonic) Sierra Laptop 8 (D13), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6)

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 2 Mar 2002 7:18 pm

I've created a page with Earnest Bovine's 12-string E9th tunings. Very interesting! Click here

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Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (F Diatonic) Sierra Laptop 8 (D13), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6)

Winnie Winston · Post by **Winnie Winston** » 5 Mar 2002 2:28 am

I've used an extended E9 for years.
I have no idea how to submit the diagram of what I have....
My 11th is a G#. I raise it to an A on the 2nd pedal (with the other G#s) and I lower it to a G with an inside LKL (along with 3&6)
My LKL is just like Bob's (2 E's to F, botton E to C#).
Lower E's on LKR.
Pedal A,B, C are normal.
4th pedal raises 5&6 to C# and A.
5th pedal raises 6 to Bb.
LKV lowers 5 to Bb
RKL raises 1st F# to G and lowers 7th F# to F.
RKL inside raises both F# to G
RKR lowers the 2nd a half and then 2nd and 9th to C#.
RKR inside lowers 4th E to Eb and Raises 9th D to Eb.

Winnie

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 5 Mar 2002 9:29 am

I was beginning to think I was a freak for lowering my low E to C# on the F lever. Thanks for posting that, Winnie.

Do I read correctly that you don't lower your 8th string? That's very different!

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<img align=right src="http://b0b.com/b0b.gif" width="64" height="64">Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (F Diatonic) Sierra Laptop 8 (D13), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6)

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 5 Mar 2002 9:37 am

Lower E's on LKR.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 5 Mar 2002 11:48 am

Winnie wrote:

I have no idea how to submit the diagram of what I have....

It's as easy as bitching about Ryan Adams's teeth! Just type it on your keyboard. It is easier if you don't just hit the "Reply" button and start typing; instead try it on your text editor or word processor until it looks right there. Then copy and paste it in to your reply.
The only problem is how to get the columns to line up. You can do that by using a font where all letters have the same width (monospaced). Courier New Font works for me.
Then you use the tab and /tab codes before and after it, which will cause the Steel Guitar Forum to use a monospaced font. Enclose those codes in brackets like [] which I can't actually do here since the Forum would interpret that as a code and wouldn't display it.

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 5 Mar 2002 1:33 pm

I just added a change to lower my low E (string 11 for me) to Eb on the lever that usually lowers 4 and 8, E to Eb.
It is a specialty thing for certain songs and I disenguage it at the endplate when I'm not using it (just a few quick turns of the tuning wrench).

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 5 Mar 2002 1:38 pm

Pete,
You can use the boo-wah pedal to do the same thing -- just stay away from the 9th and 12th strings.

FWIW

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2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Emmons D-10 9x9, 1971 Dobro

Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 5 Mar 2002 1:52 pm

I use it in E9th mode and don't want to leave the A+B position during that time. Using the Boo-wha pedal would screw up the whole purpose of the change for the reason you mentioned, I'd have to avoid stings 9 and 12.
I had the idea, installed the parts (using parts in my "Sierra Drawer" from past ideas), fine tuned, and was back to creating music in about 20 min.
Sierra has made it easy for me to be creative.
I also now drop string 12, B to A, on the A pedal.
I highly reccomend this change for E9th.
(I put it on my Emmons P-P also).
[This message was edited by Pete Burak on 05 March 2002 at 01:53 PM.]

LARRY COLE · Post by **LARRY COLE** » 5 Mar 2002 3:55 pm

Come on Kenny, go ahead and buy a 12 string. You know you wnat one.

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LC. WILLIAMS U12, SHO-BUD PRO1,CARVIN TL60

Winnie Winston · Post by **Winnie Winston** » 8 Mar 2002 2:06 am

bob!

You mis-read.
I lower BOTH E's (4&8) on my LKR.

Winnie

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 8 Mar 2002 5:06 am

I was beginning to think I was a freak for lowering my low E to C# on the F lever.

I've been doing that for years on my universal. It gives a great voicing to the C# chord. I now have an E to C# lower on a knee lever so I can get the same voicing in a C# minor chord too.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 8 Mar 2002 1:52 pm

I see it now. Thanks, Winnie.

Jim Roby · Post by **Jim Roby** » 17 Mar 2002 12:08 am

I lower my 12th down from E to A with RKL which is 3/1/2 tones and it goes waaaaaaay dowwwwwwwwnnnn like JD Sumner!!!!!!

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 17 Mar 2002 12:16 am

I yank my low E down to B on one of my steels as you can see at http://b0b.com/tunings/ebovine.html but when a string is that loose the pitch is not reliable.

Chick Donner · Post by **Chick Donner** » 17 Mar 2002 9:40 am

I've played a D12 Emmons PP for a number of years now, and simply add the 11th as a G#, and pedal it up and down, just like the 6th, and the 12th is naught but a big E note, and I don't do anything with it.

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 27 Mar 2002 4:48 pm

Ken- I use the G# on the 11th string and the E on the 12th. string. But my Tuning leans more to E6 with E6 pedals, E13 and E9. Sorta like BE's experimental E tuning. But I don't put the F# in on 7th string like usual E9. I get that with a knee lever when I want it....al

Winnie Winston · Post by **Winnie Winston** » 27 Mar 2002 5:42 pm

Hi!
I have just put my tuning up on the "Question to Winnie" on this forum.
For those who are interested.

Winnie

KENNY KRUPNICK · Post by **KENNY KRUPNICK** » 3 Apr 2002 10:52 pm

Winnie, I like your set-up.It's very versitle to a extended E9th,and a universal. Thanks for posting.

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 5 Oct 2005 4:10 am

"I started playing popular music during a brief failed attempt to discover deep truths about the universe in systems of nonlinear partial differential equations."

I knew there was something about Earnest I could resonate with.
That may explain the difficulty with trying to make linear something that is nonlinear.
Shouldn't the lever raises go the right, and the lowers go left?
But I keep pouring over these charts, looking for places not to go.

I just discovered this thread is 3 years old. I'm way behind.[This message was edited by Charlie McDonald on 05 October 2005 at 05:12 AM.]