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Topic: E9. Best place for 1st string F# -> G# raise? |
Charles Dempsey
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Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 11 Jul 2005 10:49 am |
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My push/pull has this raise on pedal 4. The LeGrande has it on LKV.
I'm going to make the setup the same on both guitars. I'm not wild about having this raise on pedal 4, but I'm not sure LKV is the best place either.
My setup is (mostly) Emmons. Is there any sort of standard place to put this?
What other changes would work well on the same lever?
Charlie |
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 11 Jul 2005 11:01 am
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1)RKL
2)2nd string D#->E or 6th string G#->F#
or 7th string F#->G(#),or a combination of these. |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 11 Jul 2005 11:13 am
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| I have that on my RKL. I raise the F# to G# and raise the D# to E along with the 7th string, F# to G. With this set up it frees up 4,5 & 6 to use with the RKL(strings 1 & 2). By raising the 7th I still have the F# to G note there and if I need to lower #6 to F#, it's on the Franklin pedal. I was using #6 on the same lever as 1 & 2 strings at first. Then I heard Bobby Bowman's CD and found some things he was doing on 4,5 & 6 that included raising 1 & 2 . So I changed my set up a little and got several benefits from it. Just my .02 worth here! |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 11 Jul 2005 11:17 am
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I have it on my RKL. That lever has the 1st string whole tone raise (F#-G#), 2nd string half tone raise (Eb to E) and the 6th string full tone lower (G# to F3) and also a half tone split on the 6th string with the B pedal. This knee lever also lowers the 3rd sting 1/2 tone on the C6th neck (C to B)
Last time I looked at the Carter "standard" copedent, they had the same E9th changes on their RKL. |
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Charles Curtis
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Posted 11 Jul 2005 12:17 pm
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| RKL...both l and 7 to G# |
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 11 Jul 2005 12:35 pm
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Great! Thanks guys. That jives perfectly with what I'm trying to do.
Charlie |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 12 Jul 2005 1:47 pm
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| if I need to lower #6 to F#, it's on the Franklin pedal. |
While this is true, you will also be lowering the 5th string B to A. The 6th lower to F# really needs to be on a lever that doesn't activate strings 3,4,5,6,8,10. Along with the E to D# levers, this gives you a major chord that is the same as the chord with pedals A & B that is found 2 frets above. The A on the 5th string would ruin this. there is a lot of melodic things you can do moving between these 2 chord positions. The F# lower is my 3rd most used knee lever. I know you can get the chord using the F# on string 7, but you don't give the movement of moving the 5th of the chord to the dom 7th.
Anyway, I have the F# to G# and D# to E change by itself on a pedal as opposed to a knee lever and it works fine.
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John McClung
From:
Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2005 2:22 pm
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FWIW...I used to have the changes on strings 1&2 coupled with str 6 G#>F#; but I sometimes use the 6th lower with the unchanged chromatic strings, so I moved the strings 1&2 changes to a 2nd farther-from-player LKL (my KL's are all reversed, E's up and down on RK, all else on LK).
While I like the logic of this, I'm finding that change a little stiff and awkward to use there, am considering modifying that LKL so that the KL itself is more angled, it's just an ergonomics thing.
Oh, it originally put this on my LKV, that was a very awkward place for it. B's to Bb are much better there, most players seem to agree on that.
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Jul 2005 11:55 pm
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I prefer Jack Stoner's version on the RKL. I also have the 7th-F# to G on my RKR which Lowers 2 to D/C# and 9 to C#. Lately some people have split the RKR into (2) seperate KL’s to eliminate the half/stop on 2. For example John Hughey has added a LKL2 with his Day Setup. With the Emmons Setup it would most likely be a LKR2 to Lower #2/C# & #9/C#.(no half/stop) Then either RKL or RKR Lower 2/D & Raise 7/G.
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’04 SD–10 Black Derby w/3 & 5 & Pad
’49-’50 Fender T–8 Custom
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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bob grossman
From:
Visalia CA USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2005 9:59 pm
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I had this change and dropped it in favor of just using the inside LKL to drop the 6th str. from G# to F# with a split for a G with the "B" pedal. I thought the first and seventh string changes to G# was mainly for a lick or a M7 with the pedals down.
Since I also raised the first str. to G with RKR, why not just slant the bar to get the G#...if you have to get it.
I have tab from Jeff N. where he slants the F# two frets to get the unison notes. You can also go up two frets and get it with strings 1 and 4 with the "C" pedal.
So what, huh?
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2005 7:37 am
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I remember seeing Jeff pull the first string with his left hand to get the G. I never could get the hang of that, but a bar slant plus the F# to G lever is an easy way to get that popular unison lick.
As for the "best place" for the high F# to G#, I don't think there is one. You decide where you want the E raises and lowers, and where you want the 2nd string lower. Whatever slot remains is where you can put the G or G# lever. Or you can put it on a pedal.
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Richard Sinkler
From:
aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Jul 2005 4:37 pm
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Although I have the F# to G lever, I still pull the 1st string to G with my finger behind the bar most of the time. It is much faster than using a lever. Plus, it looks cool 
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Jul 2005 6:25 pm
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For some (probably invalid) reason, one of my touchy~no/no’s is to allow someone to be so rough and harsh as to stretch a string with their finger behind the bar on any of my guitars!!! You can wear out your welcome in a hurry, if you persist! 
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’04 SD–10 Black Derby w/3 & 5 & Pad
’49-’50 Fender T–8 Custom
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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