Anyone use E's>F>F# on KL?

John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

I've been hankering to raise one or both E's on E9 to F#, but would ideally need a 2nd right knee lever to do it (my E's lower on RKL, raise on RKR; I want this change on a right KL to use in combo with the 4 others on my left knee).

Has anyone tried a double stop on E's raised, half stop at F, full stop at F#, on the right knee (either direction)? Did it work out, or was it too awkward to use in live playing?

Sorry if this has been discussed, a forum search turned up nothing for me. Thread links welcomed.

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Chuck McGill · From: An hour from Memphis and 2 from Nashville, R.I.P.

John I had a ZB like that but no stops. It was
a feel thing. It is a nice 9 change.

Gary Spaeth · From: Wisconsin, USA

you could use your third pedal for something else cause you'd have it with the knee and the first pedal. you'd be able to play third pedal stuff an octave lower on 6,8, and 10. interesting!

Jim Eaton · From: Santa Susana, Ca

I think b0b may have tried this or talked about it at one point.
JE:-)>

Jim Palenscar · From: Oceanside, Calif, USA

I've had this on my LKL for 25 years. I've toyed with removing it from time to time as the E-F adjustment is finicky enough as it is and, when you put a 1/2 stop in it, it's that much tougher to land on the F in tune. That being said, it can be done and is a great change. The stop has to be very positive and consequently needs to exist as a seperate mechanism w/o using another string as the feel.

John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

Jim, I'll visit you soon and would love to try out your guitar with that change. On my MSA I have a C6 change raising both C's to C#, then the high C up to D, low C# BACK to C, so I know about tricky!

I'm reluctanct to mess with the heavily used E>F, but the E>F# change will work well with so many other pedal/kl combinations, it's pretty irresistable.

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

If I had an extra lever, I might try it, but there's a lot of times when I want to use the "C" pedal very quickly, and my knees just aren't as quick as my feet! For that reason, I'd have to keep the "C" pedal change that's on the floor. Come to think of it, I can't think of any of the "big dogs" that don't still have the "C" pedal.

Maybe that's why they've kept it, too?

[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 27 May 2005 at 08:47 AM.]

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

I use the E to F# on RK alot with pedals down and go all the way to the left Knee D#.

A lot of players do that but still keep the Pedal C for fast pedal work....al

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Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

I have an extra KL on RKR that raise only 8string E-F#. It is also split tuned w LKR (E's - Eb) so I get F G# B Eb on strings 8 6 5 4 when using both knee levers together. It gives the same voicing as found 2 frets up w E's lowered and A+B pedals (str 8 7 6 5) but the way of going into that voicing sounds different since one can let the strings ring while changing voicings. Also it is possible to continue w A+B or B+C while releasing LKR and RKR at a later moment.

Smiley Roberts · From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

If I'm not mistaken,Curly Chalker didn't have a "C" pedal on his E9th. He raised his E to F# w/ a knee lever.

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Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I've thought of having an F# lever and using the split with the D# lever to get the F. Seems like it would work but it would take me forever to get used to it at this point.

Nancy in my band has a new song she wrote that rings so true to me. The lyric goes:

Do what you can
With the time that's left

I think I'll stay with what I know and make music, instead of looking for the ultimate copedent.

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John McClung · From: Olympia WA, USA

Great input, everyone.

I wouldn't give up pedal C if adding the E>F# kl; but it yields pedal down 1 to a 6m; A+F major to a sus4; and has some real pretty uses with the Franklin pedal.

Think I'll add the change to pedal 8 as a temporary experiment for now.

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John Bechtel · From: Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.

John;
I raise my 4th & 8th from E to F and for several years, up until today; (w/o changing the linkage) I just readjusted the Stop on the KL so that my 8th. str. can be Raised from E to F(#). Then back-off on the nylon~tuner on the 4th. until it only Raises to F. This will automatically give you a half/stop at F on str. #8. Then the rest of the travel will continue to Raise #8 to F# and also Raise the #4 str. to F. I did it this way, because; my style of playing doesn't require an F on both strings at the same time. The reason I just eliminated this function is to get back to the simpler things in life!
Edited to put that (#) in there!
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[This message was edited by John Bechtel on 30 May 2005 at 11:03 PM.]

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