Pedal Steels you DISLIKED..

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 19 May 2005 4:24 am

I imagine most of us have had a few mutts over the years.. I would like to discuss reasons why you had a good steel that you disliked. Color ,tone, playability weight,.. whatever. You may have gotten it straightened out later and loved it, but i'm talking about guitars that wouldn't work for you for whatever reason,,

I know,I know, Mr Negative, but thats one of my endearing characteristics. WE are not "bashing" anyone's products by the way.. ALL modern steels are good, as well as most older ones, and I love them all, but there is always a clunker or two .

b0b has stated more than once that this forum is for discussion of steel PLAYERS.. NOT a manufacturers hype forum. I wouldn't worry about stepping on any toes.

1.. Dekley... It was long ago, but I remember it as being way too heavy.. The biggest problem for me however was the little "D" shaped pedals.. I play in socks, and I remember that steel guitar killing me when I played it.. Off it went.

2 Sho Bud Pro III.. kept this guitar for years, but I was always at odds with it. Although I bought it in mint/ unused cond.,that steel would NOT stay in tune. Open string or pedal stops.. always tuning it up. I kept the wrench right on the guitar.. Also, had problems with lowers... Had to have the changer fingers machined to get some of my copedent,and always fought it. Despite its sweet tone, off she went.

3 Sho Bud 6139[pre Pro I].. actually,a good guitar with a GREAT sound,but the changer was kind of primitive by todays standards and I could not get enough of my copedent.... I always seem to fight buds.. and I fought this one too.

4 Carter.. color...

5 MSA Classic.... color.. actually LACK of color....

6 Sho Bud Pro I... Don't want to discuss this one...

7 MSA D10 XL ..Nice guitar, but you needed 3 good men and a pack mule to move it.. the tone was also "blah",,, I don't think I kept it very long at all..

You get the idea... share a few steels that went off to oblivion because they would not work for you... bob

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Tom Stolaski · Post by **Tom Stolaski** » 19 May 2005 5:07 am

My second steel. MSA Semi-Classic. Good mechanics but not very good tone. It was a step up from my Sho-Bud Maverick.

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 19 May 2005 5:17 am

My worst one was an LDG Shobud. It looked so good but its undercarriage and pedal rattled like a freight train crossing a bridge.

Bob Storti · Post by **Bob Storti** » 19 May 2005 5:33 am

My first guitar was an Emmons student model. Could not get this little beast to stay in tune to save my life.

My second guitar was a used Emmons P-P S10 model. Great sound, but again, tuning problems all over the place.

Bob

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 19 May 2005 5:44 am

MSA Red Baron. Need I say more?
Fiberglas is great for car bodies, but for a steel....
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Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 19 May 2005 5:57 am

Bob S.. surprised you had tuning problems with a PP... I have not heard too many guys complain about tuning problems on Emmons... Just goes to show there's always a stinker even among the jewels... bob

Jim Peters · Post by **Jim Peters** » 19 May 2005 5:57 am

ZB D10. Great tone, bad beginner guitar. I spent all my time working on it instead of playing. Sold it, and of course wish I kept it to restore.JimP

Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 19 May 2005 6:10 am

A Teisco.....It had bicyle clutch cables to activate the pedals! I eventually took the pedals off and played it without.

EDITED to add another guitar. Back in the late 1960's I bought one of the first Rickenbacker Pedal Steels and it would never stay in tune. Fortunately, the music store took it back and returned it to the Company. I guess Rickenbacker could never solve the problem either because they soon stopped making pedal steels.

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Dick Wood · Post by **Dick Wood** » 19 May 2005 6:27 am

ZB Custom SD-10 Great guitar,beautiful finish but would not stay in tune.Absolutely hated the design of the undercarriage.

Bob, I played a Dekley for 16 years in socks and thought it was very easy on the feet and I can't hardly stand to walk on grass without shoes on.

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Bill Myers · Post by **Bill Myers** » 19 May 2005 6:44 am

My first one was an MCI, not one of the good ones. It was a later one that had the aluminum front. It had the worst shrill tone so I put a georgel's e66 in it and it still sounded the same. It played nicely just sounded bad.

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 19 May 2005 7:05 am

Haven't had a bad steel yet.But I have a couple of questions.

Was it the steel that was bad?Or was it just bad judgement?
If you knew then what you know now about the same steel....would you buy it again?

I had several steel guitars and always sold um because there was something wrong with it.But I found out later that it wasn't the steel guitar but it was me.I always changed things back than with out even knowing what I was doing.After i found out that it wasn't the steel guitar but me I bought 2 brands....

Emmons
Sho-Bud

I didn't fool around with these steel guitars and never had a problem with them.

Ron

Larry Bell · Post by **Larry Bell** » 19 May 2005 7:42 am

From my experiences, the only two modern guitars I would buy are Fessenden and ZumSteel. I personally prefer the Fessy but played a ZumSteel for 20+ years and would certainly buy another under the right circumstances.

I personally do not care for older MSA guitars, but have heard some players make them sound great. I'm also not fond of Mullen, Carter, or GFI guitars, but I might not have played 'the right one'.

There's a feel thing that is hard to measure or quantify. I can sit down to a guitar and know instantly if it talks to me. It's equal parts feel and sound in my opinion. All new guitars have pretty good mechanics. I love old Emmons, Sho-Bud, and ZB guitars, but they can be a pain to keep running smooth.

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Dick Wood · Post by **Dick Wood** » 19 May 2005 7:47 am

Bob C. While not exactly on topic,You've mentioned playing in your socks and I thought I would take it a step further.

I like to get really comfortiable when I play.

P.S. I tried to post a picture and it won't print. I can't seem to figure out where I'm going wrong.

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Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 19 May 2005 8:00 am

Dick.. thats really weird.. two players ,same pedals, one loved it the other depised it!!.. I mean I HATED those D pedals..... maybe my feet are bent and i kept hitting the sharp angles!!

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 19 May 2005 8:15 am

I never understood why a manufacturer would sacrifice ergonomic factors for vanity, i.e., making pedals shaped like their initials instead of symmetrical. That's one reason I never bought a Dekley back in the days they were being made.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 19 May 2005 8:23 am

I've sold several guitars because they didn't match well with my own artistic direction. It's wasn't that I disliked the guitar, just that I was moving on.

The exception was a 1978 Emmons S-12, bought new and made to order. It was a wonderful sounding instrument, but I couldn't keep the pedals and levers in tune. Also, it broke a lot of strings. Maybe they were bad strings, I'm not sure. I actually loved the guitar but I hated it too. The Sierra Crown S-12 Keyless that replaced it didn't sound quite as rich, but it was a lot less trouble.

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Jimmy Gibson · Post by **Jimmy Gibson** » 19 May 2005 8:51 am

Mullen H/Wallace model,looked great played great,but had a terrible thin sound.Sho-Bud Profesional noisey,a pig to keep in tune and heavy, but had a most beautifull tone.

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Smiley Roberts · Post by **Smiley Roberts** » 19 May 2005 9:42 am

RE: Dekley (1978)
LOVE IT!! I'm,still,playin' it,to this day! The "D" pedals don't bother me a bit. It stays in tune,& has a great tone. The action on it is solid & easy.

Worst one?........had to be the "MultiKord"!
Cables kept bustin',& ya had to have a special "screwdriver/nutdriver" combo to tune the pedals. Piece o' junk!!

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Adrienne Clasky · Post by **Adrienne Clasky** » 19 May 2005 10:01 am

You come up with the best topics!

I've only had one steel, my little Carter Starter and I love it. My neighbors also love it: "I can't believe you get such great sound out of a giant Zither."

I do know what you mean about the Carter's color, though. It's really a woman's color and you should not have to suffer with it! You should send it to me and. . . .

Okay. I'll stop.

Seriously, I am currently searching for my first pro model. I really appreciate this thread and the honest responses. It is really helping!

Adrienne Clasky · Post by **Adrienne Clasky** » 19 May 2005 10:02 am

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Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 19 May 2005 10:49 am

Unlike a lot of folks, I really appreciated my Sho Bud Maverick- (Tom's first!) it was all I could afford and got me into playing. I sure wouldn't want it back now though! Other than that the only real dog I had was a Sierra Crown Keyless. b0b loved his, I hated mine. Overbuilt mechanically, and broke strings like crazy. I spent a lot of time getting to know the keyless setup, and still had times on stage where I'd put on 5 or 6 3rd strings before one would stay. Yuk.

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Billy Woo · Post by **Billy Woo** » 19 May 2005 12:09 pm

I had a MSA D-12 which in the case almost broke my foot and was so heavy that it dented my car door. The sound and tone were o.k. but as Dr. Zachary Smith would say " Oh my poor delicate back Dear William"..also early ZB D-10 was my first steel and way too much time & money to get it in tune and hardly any playing time.

Bronco Billy

Leon Eneboe · Post by **Leon Eneboe** » 19 May 2005 12:23 pm

The worst steel for me was the one I started out with...a MultiChord 6 string, 4 pedals. The guitar was bad by todays standards, but, I give the Harlin Bros. credit...they probably got a lot of people into starting back in the early early fifties. Building them, like playing them...you start at the bottom and get better.

Paddy Long · Post by **Paddy Long** » 19 May 2005 12:42 pm

The worst one for me was way back in the late 70's when I dabbled with a Sierra 12 string Uni -- this guitars pedal action was so stiff and hard it was almost unplayable, no matter how I adjusted it - and it had 3 different holes on the pedal to move the rod attachment, still no joy. You had to jump off the seat with a 40lb bag of cement on your back to get the pedals to go all the way down !! And yet the guy I sold it to loves it, and still has it I believe - although he weighs 280 lbs ha!!!

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 19 May 2005 12:47 pm

Paddy, you bring up a good point---All these steels you guys hated---Where are they now? In the hands of someone who loves the way they sound, or play, or tune???