Newer Millenium's

James Quackenbush · Post by **James Quackenbush** » 26 Apr 2005 7:18 pm

I'm seeing guy's selling their older MSA Millenium's for the newer Milleniums...
What's the deal ?.....Is there something with the newer models that are better than the older models ?.... Thanks, Jim

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 26 Apr 2005 8:08 pm

Not that they're bad in any way, but the new ones are probably not any worse at the very least..

I like my Red Baron.

EJL

Reece Anderson · Post by **Reece Anderson** » 27 Apr 2005 8:50 am

James....I don't view it to be unusual for those with older Millenniums to upgrade to a new M3.

Surprisingly to some, this coming September 17th the new MSA will celebrate the end of it's fourth year. MSA has always been committed to advance in every aspect of quality, innovation and service.

I'm convinced of the quality and reliability of the car I drive, but I upgrade from time to time, and each time I do, I'm glad I did.

Eric....?????

James Quackenbush · Post by **James Quackenbush** » 27 Apr 2005 11:13 am

Reece ,
Good to hear from you .....I agree that there is always a desire to upgrade, whether it be a car, pedal steel , or ???
One can only assume that there are some newer features on the newer Millenium to make someone upgrade from an older model .....
I ride an 03 Triumph Speed Triple motorcycle ....It's a great looking bike ...
I keep in MINT, and well tuned.....I now want an 05 Speed Triple .....Why ? Because it has a new look, and it comes with a lot of new features that my old one that is only 2 yr's older doesn't have ....So my question is this....What does the new Millenium have , that the older ones don't have ?..... I have NO doubt whatsoever that both the older Millenium, and the newer Millenium are both GREAT steel's
Thanks for your time...Sincerely, Jim

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 27 Apr 2005 4:34 pm

That was a good enough answer for me too.

EJL

jim milewski · Post by **jim milewski** » 27 Apr 2005 5:02 pm

ya, the new Cycle World has great things to say about the new Speed Triple, for me, it's still my 68, 43 HP, Trophy

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 28 Apr 2005 4:23 am

I'm taking drivers ed with Reece and still trying to get my new Millennium into first gear and not pull the clutch out too fast.

It will be awhile before I'm ready to upgrade, but with Reece's help I hope to be doing highway driving soon.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 28 Apr 2005 7:42 am

Hopefully, Reece won't get too mad at me

, but here's a list of the more significant changes...

Closed-end keyhead (one-piece, "horse-shoe design", similar to Emmons and Sho~Bud)

New, 13-slot pullers, (as opposed to the old 4-hole design.) The little pins with the setscrews are gone!

Re-designed (read: more sturdy) knee-lever mountings, along with wide, flat, knee lever "paddles" if desired, and longer vertical knee-levers.

New "sunburst" color scheme.

Stainless-steel pull rods instead of titanium.

There's probably many more small changes, but these are the most apparent.

Reece Anderson · Post by **Reece Anderson** » 28 Apr 2005 9:32 am

James....Thank you for the courtesy of your response and kind spirit. I also just read the response to you from Donny Hinson regarding the new M3 Millennium, and he is correct.

Eric....????

Bill....I congratulate you, you're very quickly learning how to manuver your steel guitar through "musical traffic".

Donny....You're so well informed about MSA, I'm not yet convinced you haven't been secretly working with MSA for many years

Doug Earnest · Post by **Doug Earnest** » 28 Apr 2005 9:55 am

I don't have a Millenium and do not plan to purchase one, but I have been interested in the design since before the first one was produced. I'm curious as to why the change from titanium to stainless pull rods? Would it be related to cost, manufacturing process, tone, or some combination of all of the above? Keep up the good work at MSA.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 28 Apr 2005 2:30 pm

I was under the impression that the M3 was a wood body guitar and the MII was an up grade of the original Millenium.Has MSA scraped the carbon fiber design??

Sidney Malone · Post by **Sidney Malone** » 29 Apr 2005 4:51 pm

The Carbon Fiber design is alive and well and it is called the "M3" and has all the latest upgrades.

The new wood body design is called the "Legend". It is a wood body version of the "M3".

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Jim Palenscar · Post by **Jim Palenscar** » 29 Apr 2005 5:21 pm

Actually the wood version of the carbon fiber guitar is called the "Legend" (I know someone who has one and is very happy with it

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James Quackenbush · Post by **James Quackenbush** » 29 Apr 2005 6:13 pm

Jim,
The Trophy is a GREAT bike !!.....

Donny,
Thank's for the info....It's appreciated ..

Reece ,
As always, you are a gentleman and a friend....

Bill,
Put the pedal to the metal , and hang on bud !!!.....Reece it a great co-pilot !!...

Reece Anderson · Post by **Reece Anderson** » 29 Apr 2005 8:02 pm

Doug....Thank you for your question. We changed to steel rods to reduce friction Titanium is smooth to touch, but when two rods were against each other, they created a slight amount of drag.

Bobby....The M3 is a carbon composite body, and the wood body is called "The Legend"!

Jim....Thank you for your kind words. For the record, your Legend is "the" first wood body ever made using Millennium technology.

James....Next time I'm in your area, dinners on me.

Ernie Pollock · Post by **Ernie Pollock** » 30 Apr 2005 5:10 am

Reese: I have to agree with you on Donny Hinson, since his arrival on the forum, I have never read any of his posts that were not accurate, he is one of the most intelligent guys on the forum & we all appreciate his replys!!

Ernie Pollock

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CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 30 Apr 2005 6:29 am

Ernie, you're sooooooo right
i never had the pleasure of meetin' Donny or know what makes him tick, but i must concur that he's "Right On" in most every subject that he pops in on

how does he do it?....

Bill Cunningham · Post by **Bill Cunningham** » 30 Apr 2005 8:04 am

Reece:

Was the sunburst guitar at the Dallas show an M3 or a Legend?

Thanks,
Bill

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"Gimme a steel guitar, 2 or 3 fiddles and a Texas rhythm section that can swing"..R. Pennington

Chris Forbes · Post by **Chris Forbes** » 30 Apr 2005 8:15 am

I've met Donny a couple of times. We didn't get to spend a lot of time yakking, but he seems like one of the most genuinely pleasant people I've ever met. He keeps on downplaying his abilities on the steel, but Mr. Gimble and Mr. Coster assure me he is a fine player. Now, if I can find some free time, I'm gonna see if I can rip off a couple of his licks if I ever get the pleasure of hearing him play!!

Al Michalczak · Post by **Al Michalczak** » 1 May 2005 12:05 pm

Hi Reese and Donnie, my question is how will the collectable value of the original Millenium be affected if it is upgraded to M3? Also, what is the cost for this upgrade?
Thanks, Al

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 1 May 2005 8:18 pm

If I had paid $5000 for an original Millenium.D-10 8&5. I think that's what they sold for.Feel free to correct me.Anyway, I'd be a little upset that MSA felt it was necessary to up-grade it 2 times in less than 4 years.Was it rushed to market to soon??

bob drawbaugh · Post by **bob drawbaugh** » 2 May 2005 6:07 am

Bobby, would you feel the same way if you bought a new SUV in 2005 for $40,000 and then in 2006 they came out with a new model? I think that is how the market works. You put out the best product you can, then you keep working on it to make it better. You name me any company that is #1 in their field and thats the way they work. When they stop putting out new products they stop being #1.

Reece Anderson · Post by **Reece Anderson** » 2 May 2005 6:29 am

Bill C....The sunburst guitar at the Dallas show was a Millennium M3. Thank you for asking.

Al M....The collectable value for everything is determined over time and is market driven, therefore unpredictable!

Bobby B....Looking back at our history you will find MSA has always strived to move forward in design and innovation. We believe doing so has proven to be a key ingredient for every successful company.

Having said that, looking back at the first Millennium and those made today you will only see subtle changes, which is the same philosophy of many companies including car manufacturers.

Every Millennium customer received a 5 year parts and labor warranty , and we have lived up to our commitment to the best of our ability. Your suggestion that MSA "rushed to market" has no basis of fact. MSA's name and expertise since 1963 is recognized the world over and clearly proven by the fact that 42 years after our inception, there are thousands of MSA's being played today all over the world.

Bobby D....Thank you for your comment.

Recluse · Post by **Recluse** » 2 May 2005 8:09 am

Reese: I have to add that my Millennium bought 12-02, SN 11, is still as smooth as the day I received it. Any product "rushed to market" would have disapointed by now. It seems to me that the changes are icing on the cake rather than correction of a flaw,as implied by Mr. Boggs. M-1, M-2, M-3? It's simply a great machine.
Steve Bailey

Reece Anderson · Post by **Reece Anderson** » 2 May 2005 9:04 am

Steve (Recluse)....Thank you for taking the time and being so thoughtful as to share your thoughts and experience. We're very proud to consider you as part of the MSA family.