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Topic: G# to B raise on the 6th string |
Billy Carr
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Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 18 Apr 2005 11:04 pm |
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| A friend of mine bought a new RAINS guitar recently. Nice guitar by the way. He had a change on it I had never used before on the sixth G# string. He has a KL raising G# up to a B. Found a use for it going up two frets and also going back two frets w/o pedals. Anybody using this? |
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Ivan Posa
From:
Hamilton, New Zealand
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Posted 19 Apr 2005 2:15 am
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Franklin.
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Dean Parks
From:
Sherman Oaks, California, USA
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Posted 19 Apr 2005 11:06 pm
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| You could use it to move your already-raised A note to a B... maybe handy on a vertical? |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2005 7:56 am
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G# to B is more useful if it plays the A note in tune when you release the B note to A. Unfortunately this A note plays sharp on almost every guitar. You can learn to make it play in tune by temporarily releasing the "B pedal" but that's probably not the sound you wnat.
Another nice thing about a knee lever that pulls G# to B is that in a flash you can re-tune the pull to A#, which is a useful change. |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 20 Apr 2005 8:15 am
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That's what return compensators are for. Most mfgrs have something that solves this problem.
I have exactly the same situation with B to D on the 9th string of E9/B6, releasing to C# with the A pedal. It can be solved.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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John Fabian
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Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Apr 2005 8:52 am
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Return compensators will Not solve that problem.
The same issue exists on most universals raising the Eb (while knee lever engaged) to E with a pedal and then releasing it back to Eb.
The pull bar has been "retensioned" in a different manner than by standard activation methods (ie, engaging the knee lever to change the open note)
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John Fabian
Carter Steel Guitars
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 20 Apr 2005 11:19 am
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So how do you solve it, John?
I don't use the change you mention, but do pull B to D and release to C#. Jerry Fessenden suggested that what's happening is that the 'big' pull is pulling the bellcrank for the 'small' pull beyond its intended deflection. His solution was to place a knee lever stop in front of the bellcrank for the 'small' pull that prevents it from going further than intended. I called that a 'return compensator'. Perhaps it's my ignorance of the proper terminology, but on my guitar the solution works like a champ.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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John Fabian
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Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Apr 2005 11:48 am
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I've seen Jerry's solution and it appears to work. This issue has to do with the pullbars and crosshaft.
It isn't a traditional "return compensator" which is used on some steels for strings that both raise and lower and have problems returning accurately. This other issue is in the changer. |
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 21 Apr 2005 6:09 am
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How do you solve that problem on Carter guitars, John?
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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