G# to B raise - 6th string
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G# to B raise - 6th string
The Williams I recently purchased has the G# to B raise - 6th string on RKR.
It is an interesting change, bringing that string into unison with the 5th., but I can't really find much else to do with it...that is, to justify using up a knee with it.
Anyone use that change? Any songs with examples?
It is an interesting change, bringing that string into unison with the 5th., but I can't really find much else to do with it...that is, to justify using up a knee with it.
Anyone use that change? Any songs with examples?
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This gives some examples of that change and a few others.
https://youtu.be/PNMvxYqXw8I
https://youtu.be/PNMvxYqXw8I
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Really cool link Rich!
Here's a nice sound for a slow ballad using the G# to B change:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab658.mp3
Tab in pdf format:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab658.pdf
Here's a nice sound for a slow ballad using the G# to B change:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab658.mp3
Tab in pdf format:
http://www.gregcutshaw.com/Tab/Tab658.pdf
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Paul Franklin has it on his left vertical. He talks about in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phDJy_IiR1Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phDJy_IiR1Y
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This has become one of my all time favorite changes...I have it on all by guitars...Fabulous stacks of close intervals available...!!
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Isn't this the same change that is at the beginning of the steel break on Look at us? This one:
https://youtu.be/uSfjp1ky4Mw?t=2m52s
I don't know how unusual it is to have that change but it would seem the Stage One has it too, unless there's some black magic involved which I'm not aware of:
https://soundcloud.com/user649826/look-at-us-mix
Mind you, I'm not a steel player (yet), but picking up changes and the like is what I routinely do to prepare myself for when the inevitable happens.
https://youtu.be/uSfjp1ky4Mw?t=2m52s
I don't know how unusual it is to have that change but it would seem the Stage One has it too, unless there's some black magic involved which I'm not aware of:
https://soundcloud.com/user649826/look-at-us-mix
Mind you, I'm not a steel player (yet), but picking up changes and the like is what I routinely do to prepare myself for when the inevitable happens.
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On the video Tony Dingus link to where PF explains his copedent, the vertical lever raise of string 6 G#>B is at 2:50>3:25.
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Black magic: I believe the minor third drop in the Look At Us solo is on the 4th string, releasing from the C pedal whole-step raise to the half-step lower. Executing it on the 6th string with a B raise would have a quite different timbre.Tuukka Ojala wrote:Isn't this the same change that is at the beginning of the steel break on Look at us? This one:
https://youtu.be/uSfjp1ky4Mw?t=2m52s
I don't know how unusual it is to have that change but it would seem the Stage One has it too, unless there's some black magic involved which I'm not aware of:
https://soundcloud.com/user649826/look-at-us-mix
Mind you, I'm not a steel player (yet), but picking up changes and the like is what I routinely do to prepare myself for when the inevitable happens.
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Part of my problem is where to place it for best use. It is currently on my RKL, which also lowers the 2nd string. This interferes with some licks that I like to use.
On my other guitar, the 6th lower in also coupled with 1&2 string raise, which also cramps some licks. Should the 6th raise be on a lever of its own for best use?
On my other guitar, the 6th lower in also coupled with 1&2 string raise, which also cramps some licks. Should the 6th raise be on a lever of its own for best use?
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I thought it was my idea?
Just goes to show, I thought it was my idea?Erv Niehaus wrote:That's quite a raise, how long does the string last?
I have it on my 5th pedal next to another that raises the 5th string to B to C#.
Maybe I should have it on a knee as well, but I'm all out of knee levers now.
Guess it's danged near impossible to have a new idea?
I've been using my pedals 4&5 together to get an E6th tuning from strings 10 to 3.
But I already have an A6th with pedals 3&4 that I use like a non pedal steel on 8 strings.
However I'm thinking I really don't need another 6th chord and the licks some guys are getting with just the G# to B makes me think of removing the F# to G#.
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Never a broken string
Hi Erv,
I've got both my second string C# to E (0.015) and the 6th String G# to B (0.022P) going 3 half steps and never ever had a broken string.
But I have screwed up a few good licks!
I've got both my second string C# to E (0.015) and the 6th String G# to B (0.022P) going 3 half steps and never ever had a broken string.
But I have screwed up a few good licks!
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Yes, this was the change that John used on "Look At Us". I have the Woodshed, Jeff did, on this, and does explain it on there, that it was the change that John had on the song. He does go on to show how to get the same sound, but with different approach. The only other I've seen was in Buddy Emmons, Sounds Of Christmas, he uses it several times.
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but do they stay in tune?
I would think that pulling a string 3 half tones would knock the string out of tune..so even if it does not break, it probably detunes..not a change that I would want.
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Re: but do they stay in tune?
Not sure about other steels, but with my Mullen and also my Star Guitar you'd be wrong.... Comes back perfect as soon as the strings are stretched out and stable.Brad Malone wrote:I would think that pulling a string 3 half tones would knock the string out of tune..so even if it does not break, it probably detunes..not a change that I would want.
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The Stage One does not have a minor 3rd drop change on string 6. The only m3rd drop change is as Brint Hannay explained, on str 4 using C release to LKR. Not sure what color the magic is, but it makes for some interesting possibilities.Tuukka Ojala wrote:I don't know how unusual it is to have that change but it would seem the Stage One has it too, unless there's some black magic involved which I'm not aware of:
https://soundcloud.com/user649826/look-at-us-mix.
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Brint is correct on the John Hughey solo. I've known John since mid 70's, and don't believed he raised the sixth string to B. I would talk to him twice a year, and when we talked about our tunings, he never mentioned it. I have the tab that came with one of John's CD's, and that change is not on his guitar.Brint Hannay wrote:Black magic: I believe the minor third drop in the Look At Us solo is on the 4th string, releasing from the C pedal whole-step raise to the half-step lower. Executing it on the 6th string with a B raise would have a quite different timbre.Tuukka Ojala wrote:Isn't this the same change that is at the beginning of the steel break on Look at us? This one:
https://youtu.be/uSfjp1ky4Mw?t=2m52s
I don't know how unusual it is to have that change but it would seem the Stage One has it too, unless there's some black magic involved which I'm not aware of:
https://soundcloud.com/user649826/look-at-us-mix
Mind you, I'm not a steel player (yet), but picking up changes and the like is what I routinely do to prepare myself for when the inevitable happens.
Amd I'm almost positive that that change is not on a Stage One, unless Doug made a special guitar for someone. If I remember right, the pedal and lever changes can't be moved around because the bell cranks are welded to the cross shafts. I'm not sure a pull-release guitar could make that change (Lane Gray would know).
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