To continue -Day Vs. Emmons setup

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

I wanted to post on the Day vs Emmons setup and was told it was full and no more replies were possible and to start a new thread. Ok..

If you ask a Foot specialist , he will tell you that the ankle will bend on the inside a lot more and easier than the other way arounmd.

Saying this, The Day setup should be physically easier to use.

But I use the Emmons setup, Why?, just as others on this post has said. -most of the steels etc, are geared that way. If you sit in with a band , you will usually find the Emmons setup.

Also in my case, I play a E6-9 setup and my LKR is the Eb's so that goes good with Emmons setup for me as I use it with pedals 5 and 6 for the sixth part of the tuning. That is one reason that makes the steel guitar so different from a Piano, You can change the tuning....Viva la difference...all

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Frank Estes · From: Huntsville, AL

I agree. Another similar thing to consider is when one attends a steel guitar show and wants to jam in one of the vendor rooms on their display models, 9 times out of 10, it will have the Emmons setup.

The Carter site shows a most requested E9 setup and that would be a good one to start out with, at least.
http://www.steelguitar.com/resource/tunings/tune9c6.htm

Earnest Bovine · From: Los Angeles CA USA

Why would ankle movement issues matter? After all, you have to bend both ways, no matter which way you order the pedals.

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

In normal pedal steel work, you're holding "B" down and working the "A" pedal a lot more frequently than you're holding the "A" pedal down and working the "B".

Richard Gonzales · From: Davidson, NC USA

Day setup allows the A pedal closer to your body, therfore the leg is not reaching as far. You play the B pedal by bending your ankle outward which is closer than playing the A pedal and bending outward for the Emmons setup. That is why the E9 Day setup is more comfortable for me. The C6 makes no difference.

[This message was edited by Richard Gonzales on 29 March 2005 at 04:03 PM.]

Bill Bosler · From: Schwenksville, Pennsylvania, USA

When I was starting out, I didn't make any real progress until Ted Solesky switched my pedals and knee levers around to the Day set-up. Not to coin a phrase or nothin', but the difference was like night and Day.

John Knight · From: Alaska

Add a little twist on this topic to find out how many players flip flop there c6th pedals. I have heard this is west Texas set up. In a standard 8 pedal set up pedal 4 is the boo-wa, pedal 5 raises string 3 and 4, pedal 6 raises string 2 and lowers 6 and so on down the line.

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Thomas Bancroft · From: Matawan, New Jersey, USA

Isn't it interesting that Carter posts "the most requested tuning" on it's website yet sells the Starter with a different tuning?

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

As I understand it, the Carter Starter copedent was based on what's required to work your way through Jeff Newman's courses.

John Fabian · From: Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.

1. The most requested tuning (MRT) requires the 6th string be lowered. This change is not possible on the Carter-Starter. (Only stings 2, 4, 5, and 8 can be lowered.)

2. The Carter-Starter uses wound 6th string and the travel required to lower a would be too great for the mechanism. (Try lowering your 3rd string to F#. The required travel is about the same.)

3. As b0b pointed out, the Carter-Starter's setup (copedant) was optimized to allow the player access to the largest amount of available teaching materials (about 98 - 99% of all available teaching materials in 2000).

MRT will access 99.9% of all teaching materials. Most beginners seem to use mostly 2 and sometimes 3 knee levers for the first 6-18 months. Raising and lowering E's being the most frequent followed by the 2nd string lower to D.

[This message was edited by John Fabian on 30 March 2005 at 12:21 PM.]

John Knight · From: Alaska

John Poston · From: Albuquerque, NM, USA

John Knight,

I wasn't aware that was called the West Texas setup. I've thought about switching to that, but I usually 2-foot things the whole time so it doesn't matter a whole lot.

For people really wanting to keep their foot on the volume pedal, I see pedal 6 moved to a knee lever quite often, too.

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