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Topic: Adjustable front legs..? |
Ron !
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 2:57 am |
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Adjustable front legs........do we really need them?
Just a simple question.....I for sure never used mine.I could do with a set that can not be adjusted.
How many of you use them?
I am asking you this because another forum member and I are in progress of designing a new type of Cabinet and legs.
We were thinking about Non-adjustable legs on the front side of the steel guitar.But we need some input from you guys and galls.
So if you could take some time and respond we would be gratefull.
Ron
Nikaro SD10 4x6
European Steel Guitar Forum
P.S
I forgot to mention that the legs on the front can be adjusted in hight under the cabinet.We thought this up because we want minor tension on the pedal bar.So to make myself a little more clear.....the adjustment will be made under the cabinet and not in the legs.
Forgive me for my Bad spelling.I hope you all can understand this.[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 02 February 2005 at 03:05 AM.] |
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Klaus Caprani
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Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 7:59 am
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I use them. I have pretty long legs, and besides that I like the light feel of the full-step raise on my LKR (string 1+7) when catching the lever towards the end. Furthermore it helps me having room for both my volume-pedal + a cowboy boot under there. They are raised approx. 8 cm's or so.
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Klaus Caprani
MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4
www.klauscaprani.com
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 9:47 am
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| RON,seems useless to me,once we have our guitar set,can't hardly adj.front legs.throws pedals off,and seems legs always slips down to the end tips anyway. I do my little adjusting with the back legs,and if changed much,pedals don't feel right either.i would rather have the fronts stable,and adj.the back legs as needed,just my thoughts. farris |
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Klaus Caprani
From:
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 12:38 pm
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I might have misunderstood. In the event of an uneven floor i might use a couple of beercoasters for adjustment 
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Klaus Caprani
MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4
www.klauscaprani.com
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Steven Black
From:
Gahanna, Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 3:01 pm
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| I could not figure out why they put them on pedal steels to begin with, I can see why they use them on non pedal steels but not pedal steels since the rods can only be adjusted so far. I like the idea of reaching up underneath the guitar to adjust it but you can not reach easily enough to the floor to adjust your guitar, you have to get up and flip guitar over and use a gripper to unloosen the clutch just to move it 1/2" or so. steveb. |
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Steven Black
From:
Gahanna, Ohio, USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 3:06 pm
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| Hello John Fabian, this guitar you are showing is it a carter? and can you order legs like this on a carter?, is the guitar still pretty stable?, What would the pros and cons be for legs like this on a double 10? steveb. |
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 8:55 pm
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| why not just make the fronts fakes,put a knurled collar on just for looks.also,makes a stop for pedal board. |
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 3:10 am
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It is a pre-production model of the Magnum Pro Select Steel Guitar. These legs are not available for the Carter Steel Guitar. They are as stable as the classic adjustable leg even though they weigh less.
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| why not just make the fronts fakes,put a knurled collar on just for looks.also,makes a stop for pedal board. |
Answer:
Cost.[This message was edited by John Fabian on 03 February 2005 at 03:13 AM.] |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 5:03 am
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| I've got a 2" lift kit on my guitar---little spacers on the rods, and little 2" long collars, that would have been IMPOSSIBLE to install, were the legs not adjustable. |
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Klaus Caprani
From:
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 5:37 am
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I just forgot that the guy who sold me the steel was a machinist. He made me some extended pedal rods as well, without which the operation would have been impossible.
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Klaus Caprani
MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4
www.klauscaprani.com
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 6:29 am
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| I've got a 2" lift kit on my guitar---little spacers on the rods, and little 2" long collars, that would have been IMPOSSIBLE to install, were the legs not adjustable. |
True.
But, remember, there's more than one way to accomplish the same objective. There is even a way to do it without using collars that tend to damage the top of the pedal bar. Stay Tuned.
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John Fabian
Carter Steel Guitars
www.steelguitar.com
www.steelguitarinfo.com
www.carterstarter.com |
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John Daugherty
From:
Rolla, Missouri, USA
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 1:20 pm
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| My Marlen came with non-adjustable front legs. They look like the rear,adjustable legs but they are machined from solid aluminum. |
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Farris Currie
From:
Ona, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 1:47 pm
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| MAN i love it,John how about a pedal bar different for 2" ch. that seems to always be used.i'd like to see a fabbed one ladder bar or something,would have to be jigged ect but,lets look for something new.Square legs into a pocket ect.chrome square would be pretty. farris |
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Mark Herrick
From:
Bakersfield, CA
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Posted 3 Feb 2005 3:55 pm
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I've used some machine bushings (like washers) between the top of the pedal bar and the leg locking collar to extend the front legs slightly to raise the cabinet. This works up to a point, then you run out of adjustment room on the pedal rods and require longer pedal rods. I also discovered that the additional length on the pedal rods is not a 1:1 ratio to the amount of raise you give the front legs. Seems you need less length on the pedal rods for a given amount of raise on the legs.
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John Fabian
From:
Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 4 Feb 2005 3:52 am
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Mark,
The reason for that is that the legs represent the hypotenuse of a right triangle (c) and the rods represent one of the sides (a or b).
Some time during the math, geometry, and trigonometry classes many of us slept through, this jewel showed up:
a2+b2=c2
Bottom line is that the relationship is not 1 to 1.
The exact length of the rod increase can also be calculated using trigonometric relationships.
All that being said, in this case, using a 1 to 1 proportion for the increase in length of both parts is close enough for engineering purposes as well as practical usage.
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John Fabian
Carter Steel Guitars
www.steelguitar.com
www.steelguitarinfo.com
www.carterstarter.com [This message was edited by John Fabian on 04 February 2005 at 09:43 AM.] |
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