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Topic: anyone else have 'the perlowin change'? |
smike
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oakland, ca
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 10:32 am |
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i was at tom bradshaw's, having him do some work on my guitar.
he mentioned that perlowin had a cool change on his 12th string, dropping it to an A instead of raising it to a C#.
he put it on so i could try it, and it's way cool... especially with the A and B pedals engaged.
anyone else tried this?
bruce |
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 11:57 am
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Yes, it has been tried. I know quite a few players that drop that low B to an A. I have done it myself too.It is cool with pedals down and also for other uses....al 
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 12:00 pm
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That change goes back about 30 years or so to the old Winnie Winston/Bill Keith book. In Bill's Copedant he had a 12 E9th set pictured which was low to high:
B E B D E F# G# B E G# D# F#
It was basically an E9th with an extra E and B strings but the low B which was the same pitch as a U-12 was lowered on the B pedal to A along with strings 3 and 6, so I think Bill probably gets the credit for this one....JH
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Livin' in the Past and Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 1:03 pm
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| I lower the 12th string B to A on the lever that lowers the 6th string. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 1:13 pm
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I have the string 12, B to A lower (timed with string 9, B to C#), and think it should be a standard change for the S12U A-pedal.
I got the heads up on that one from the BMI folks, who tell me Zane has had that change since forever.
The pedal directly to the right of my B pedal
raises all B's to C#.
E's to F# on a lever (or I just sound the F# string(s)). |
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Terry Edwards
From:
Florida... livin' on spongecake...
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 1:53 pm
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| anyone else have 'the perlowin change'? |
I'm only 52 years old. About what age does this hit you?
Terry[This message was edited by Terry Edwards on 27 January 2005 at 01:53 PM.] |
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Don Walters
From:
Saskatchewan Canada
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 4:18 pm
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Terry, are you related to HowardR ?
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HowardR
From:
N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 4:39 pm
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Chip Fossa
From:
Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 4:58 pm
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Sam Gibson had it on his U-12 for years. That's where I found out about it, and have been with it ever since [Williams U-12 8x5].
It seems to make more sense going to an A,
rather than a C#. Not sure why.
Chipper
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Jody Carver
From:
KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 5:33 pm
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| Wasn't that change a Buddy Emmons change? |
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George Macdonald
From:
Vancouver Island BC Canada
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 5:59 pm
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| I recently added the 12th string B to A change on my A pedal. I also "borrowed" the 11th string E to F# change on the C pedal from Larry Bell. George |
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Terry Edwards
From:
Florida... livin' on spongecake...
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Posted 27 Jan 2005 6:39 pm
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| Terry, are you related to HowardR ? |
No, but I did buy a guitar from him once...and ever since..
...anyway, I'll take that as a compliment.
Terry[This message was edited by Terry Edwards on 27 January 2005 at 06:40 PM.] |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 9:01 am
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I just saw this thread for the first time. I guess I've achieved immortality.
I have the change on the A pedal rather than the B. This way each pedal has 3 pulls, instead of having 2 on one and 4 on the other.
Besides dropping the 12th string to A, I also drop the 11th string to C# both the R lever, and again on a seperate lever. This provides a bass note on that string for the C# chord made with the A pedal and R lever, or the C# minor chord you get with just the A pedal by itself.
I find these bass notes and chords to be extremely useful, and I use them both for comping when somebody else is soloing, and for playing leads. My inspiration for this came from Curly Chalker's ride on "Summertime" on the "Giants of Swing" album, and from something Reece played toward the end of the song "He's Coming Back" from his "Universal Direction" LP/CD.
I think that even aside from the B6 tuning (which I still don't know much about) the extended bass range on the E9 that's possible with a U-12 is enough to warrent using that tuning. |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 10:38 am
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Hmmmmm...dropping that low B down to A would give a resounding low power chord for blues/rock with the AB pedals down. I'm gonna noodle around and see if I would ever miss that C#. If I do this, I will put the A on the B pedal and keep the C# on the A pedal for the root for the A/F combination and the relative minor with the A pedal, like Mike says. I have also been thinking of putting an F# down there to complete the scale and provide a low 9th. Maybe it's time to turn my Zum over and get the tools out.  [This message was edited by David Doggett on 01 February 2005 at 10:42 AM.] |
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MUSICO
From:
Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 11:29 am
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Ive got it on my U12.
Why? Because it's great.
How? Because I studied Mike's setup before ordering my Carter.
It's great for fingerpicking...which is my big thing on steel.
Jeremy Williams
Barcelona Spain
Carter U12
(with the Franklin pedal and the Perlowin pedal) |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 1 Feb 2005 3:02 pm
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| I get the low C# from my F lever - something I learned from Winnie Winston's book decades ago. Low roots always seem to be more useful than low thirds. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 2 Feb 2005 9:24 am
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Bobby is correct. The low E to C# belongs on the F (or it is R?) lever. As I mentioned, I also have the same change on another knee lever as well so I can get the bass note for the C# minor chord.
The Low A can interfere with the bass player, and so even though it gives me a great chord voicing, I use it more for playing leads in the lower register.
Most if us play all our leads and rides in the upper register (as I do most of the time) but the occasional use of the bass register on a C6 or 12 string can be really effective. Especially if you're playing rock and using distortion. |
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