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Topic: Adding C6 knee changes. |
Adam Tracksler
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Maine, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 10:19 am |
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So I finally got a bunch of bell cranks and rods.
My c6 neck has the standard Newman changes with the RKR dropping the high C to B.
I added another change dropping the middle C to B. (I mis-read the copedant chart in the Emmons book and meant to add the C to C# change, but I figure this isn't going to hurt to have that change in 2 octaves).
I'm going to add the C to C# on my RKL next.
I still have a bunch of rods and cranks. Any other changes I should add? |
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Herb Steiner
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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 12:24 pm Re: Adding C6 knee changes.
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| Adam Tracksler wrote: |
I added another change dropping the middle C to B. (I mis-read the copedant chart in the Emmons book and meant to add the C to C# change, but I figure this isn't going to hurt to have that change in 2 octaves).
I'm going to add the C to C# on my RKL next.
I still have a bunch of rods and cranks. Any other changes I should add? |
You're somewhat unclear above, but having both C strings lowered to B on RKR will definitely be an incorrect change if you want to retain the most common way of making a Maj7 chord in the C position. And you lose the 13th chord with p.5, a #11 chord with p.6, and a dom. 9th chord with p.8.
Raise both s.3 and s.7 a 1/2 tone (C-C#) with RKL. Your third lever should raise s.4 a 1/2 tone (A-A#), doing so to s.8 is optional. A fourth lever should lower s.4 a 1/2 tone (A-G#), and again, lowering s.8 is also optional.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 2:48 pm
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I'm with Herb on this. Not lowering the middle C is very important. Even on my 8-string D6th, which I use to play a lot of E9th-ish stuff, I use a bar slant for that lower because major 7th chord is so much more important.
As for "what to add", A to Bb is a very useful lever. I raise both A's, but a lot of people just raise the 4th string.
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 26 Jun 2016 3:24 pm
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I'm with Herb on this too - and another lever I find very useful is lowering 2nd E to Eb and raising 6th E to F -- pedal 6 in reverse in fact.
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Adam Tracksler
From:
Maine, USA
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Posted 27 Jun 2016 5:15 am
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Thanks for the insight!
I had a copy of Reese andersons c6 book, and was using that to add to my Copedant, but I sold the book and Beverly wrote down what the changes were.
I remember him having LKL change two strings, LKR changed one.
There was one change to add to RKL (assuming this is the C to C# change)
And one on the RKR.
Anyone maybe have that chart? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 27 Jun 2016 5:32 am
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FWIW, I personally don't raise or lower s.8 with the knee levers, but I have bellcranks/rods on those crossbars just in case I want to add those changes momentarily.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Jun 2016 7:03 am
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I lower 4 to Ab and 8 to G on RKL, and raise 4 and 8 to Bb on LKV.
To eliminate double-footing, my LKR has P5.
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 27 Jun 2016 7:10 am
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| b0b wrote: |
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I really like that change, lowering middle C .036" with the same lever that lowers the highest C string. It's easy to try it out; if you don't like it you can undo it with a twist of the tuning nut. |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 27 Jun 2016 9:09 am
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A few ideas here;
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