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Topic: Jerry Byrd w/ Ernest Tubb (video) |
Steve Green
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 3:17 am |
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This video was shared on Facebook by the Hank Garland family.
You Hit The Nail Right On The Head - Ernest Tubb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfZwKvwjZU
From the film "Hollywood Barn Dance"
Jimmie Short - lead guitar
Leon Short - rhythm guitar
Jerry Byrd - lap steel
"Red" Herron - fiddle
Jack Drake - string bass
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Doug Beaumier
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 6:36 am
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Jerry may have played on the pre-recorded track that the band is miming to, but I don't think that's him in the video. Doesn't look anything like him, and the player is slouched in his chair. Jerry always sat straight up when he played. The player's picking doesn't match the sound... we hear harmonics when he's not picking, and slides are heard, but are not seen. Also the guitarist's picking does not match the music during the guitar solo. The steel player looks a little like Leon McAuliffe.
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Mike Neer
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 7:01 am
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I'm pretty sure that was Jerry. It really looks like him to me. He also may have been directed to sit that way, or it could have been 10 hours of shooting that scene that made him sit back.
Found this online at hillbilly-music.com:
"His career saw him as a member of Ernest Tubb's band the "Texas Troubadours" for about three months; long enough to go to Hollywood and be a part of the movie, "Hollywood Barn Dance". Later on, he joined the Cumberland Valley Boys which was the group behind Red Foley."
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Andy Volk
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 7:20 am
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That's Jerry. Looks liking he's miming to an electric track with an acoustic on his lap. "Close enough" for the time. Today, it would be a scandal!
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Steve Green
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 7:23 am
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| . . . It really looks like him to me. . . " |
I thought it looked like him, too.
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Doug Beaumier
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Andy Volk
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 8:08 am
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Doug, Jerry would have had no part of the film editing process and there's no guarantee that 1) they were listening to playback when that was filmed or 2) that if they were actually listening to playback when the cameras were rolling that it was the same song that was eventually edited to the visuals.
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 8:28 am
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| Favorite song of mine by Jimmy and Leon Short was Old Indians Never Die (They Just Fade Away). Great lead guitar and steel! It was on one of the two ET movies. |
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Steve Green
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Doug Beaumier
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Mark Eaton
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 9:23 am
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Okay, so Jerry was in the film and that's worth something to members of this forum.
But as pointed out by Andy, he's apparently miming to the pre recorded song, and he's on an acoustic flattop lap steel in the film.
This doesn't sound anything like the electric steel on the recording, so it's just a another chunk of Hollywood stuff.
Kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison, but here is an example of TV or movie inaccuracy I saw just last night, and it annoyed me to where I need to tell somebody who knows about guitars. It was an episode of Antique Roadshow from 2001, but they were updating it to show what the same item was worth in 2014.
And elderly lady brought in her late husband's beautiful 1938 Martin 000-42. This guitar was made a year prior to the one made famous by Eric Clapton on his Unplugged album form the '90s (the host didn't mention that - probably no idea) and MTV show that he later sold at auction for close to $800K.
The appraiser guy was describing the features of this drool worthy '38 (very clean) to the widow, and he mentioned that along with the Brazilian rosewood back and sides, the top was made of Adirondack spruce - and "you can't get this wood anymore."
Bullsh#t! I pointed out to my wife that not only does my custom shop Martin dreadnought from 2011 sitting on a rack in the corner of our living room have an Adirondack top, but in 2001 when the show aired originally Martin and other builders made a fair amount of their higher end guitars with Adirondack even though Sitka spruce was much more common. It's true that Adi is not as plentiful anymore, but you can still get it all day long for a guitar top.
And they were paying this guy to say this.
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Doug Beaumier
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Mark Eaton
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 10:17 am
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Yeah, but at least have Jerry miming on an electric steel guitar.
Unless one fell off the turnip truck just yesterday, I think most of us know that miming is the norm in film work. When I lived on the Monterey Peninsula in the '80s and '90s where a lot of films have been shot I was watching a scene from Basic Instinct (no - not the scene with Sharon Stone wearing nothing under her dress) about 50 yards from my house where Michael Douglas and one of the co-stars were talking while exiting a former bank building that was dressed up to be a police station. The scene must have lasted all of 12 seconds but I think they shot it at least 30 times. So yeah, performing live music including a 2 to 3 minute song for the typical feature film - not gonna happen. They might have shot this scene with Ernest Tubb & company 10 times or more even though the music was mimed!
Now as far as playing the soundtrack music to films, I have read interviews with both David Lindley and Ry Cooder where they have mentioned that playing the music in a studio while watching the film being shown on a screen can be extraordinarily stressful and they didn't recommend this type of gig to anyone who stresses easily.
Many of us here are old enough to have grown up watching lip synch performances every Saturday on American Bandstand, but we still watched it anyway.
On the other hand, there have been many great examples in TV of live performances over the decades.
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Alan Brookes
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 10:27 am
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When it comes to movies it has always bothered me that musicians shown playing in bands don't seem to have any idea of how to play the instruments that they're shown with. Surely, after all the money they spend on effects and props, there are enough people who know the rudiments of instruments that they don't have to pick extras at random and tell them,"Move your hands around as if you're playing". 
By the way, I'm not referring to this particular movie, although someone responsible for "continuity" should have spotted that the hand movements of the "lead guitarist" don't bear any relationship to the soundtrack.
They still do this. It hasn't gone away. They seem to believe that the public know nothing and are easily fooled. For instance, they will show someone getting onto a train, then later they will show a shot of the train passing, except that it's a different train, and often just a stock shot of a train from a different country, and probably completely out-of-period for the movie. |
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Brad Davis
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 10:31 am
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| I remember some of those old AIP beach party movies (Frankie and Annette) with Dick Dale and his Del-Tones, miming to their music on electric guitars and bass. Not a single guitar plugged into anything and no amps in sight, incredibly bad miming and sync too. I mean those movies are stupid and low budget, but don't treat your audience like complete morons. I guess they did a lot of that crap back then. |
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Mike Neer
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 10:48 am
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I actually played guitar in a movie scene and we shot along with a track that was played through a PA system. However, in the editing of the movie, the director cut to specific moments in the music that they wanted for effect, paying no mind to synchronization. With a vocalist they can't really get away with it.
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Doug Beaumier
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Andy Volk
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Posted 21 Jun 2016 12:19 pm
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It all looks way out of synch to me. Having been in hundreds of video edits, synch is a funny thing ... you stare at it long enough and you almost convince yourself it's in synch then take a break, come back and say - whoa! It's way out.
Today we have digital editing which is truly a godsend for film and video folks. Way back in film school, I had to post synch a 15 min film because the Nagra tape recorder had a motor glitch that made all the sound out of synch.
Back then, you had to guess .... "Hmmm, that looks to be about 7 frames off." Place 7 frames of leader plus a piece of tape into the manual splicer, pull down on the handle and KACHING! Now, look again .... "Crap! It's still off by a frame or two. Okay repeat that whole process times a zillion edits until it's all in synch. Brutal!
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Alan Brookes
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Posted 22 Jun 2016 9:41 am
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We have it so much easier nowadays. Anyone can pick up a camcorder and record video and audio in perfect sync. I can remember having to carry around a 16mm Bolex movie camera, a reel-to-reel tape recorder, and a Synchrodek to synchronise the two. Nowadays I can film stereoscopic (3D) movies in widescreen with 5-channel surround sound from a camera small enough to carry around in my pocket, and I don't have to reload film every three minutes. 
When you think about it, we're fortunate that any old video clips of music survive other than those made for professional movies. |
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