hey everyone ive been playing since august and now im trying to learn how to hit my minors. i was wondering if anyone could help me out thanks in advance heres my copendant!
f# lnr +g
d# rnr -c#
g# p2 +a
e p3 +f# lnl -d#
b p1 +c# p3 +c#
g# p2 +a
f# lnr +g
e lnl +f rnl -d#
d rnr -c#
b p1+c#
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Hey Logan.
First I think that the tuning and setup is not really of importance when you realize that most any Mayor chord can be regarded as a minor:
The most complete example is a Mayor6th chord, like the A6th chord you are getting at the nut with pedals A and B down or the B6th with only the E to Eb lower engaged or the E6th with the A pedal only:
And here's why:
A 6th chord has
a I a III a V a VI and again a I
If you look at the intervals between these notes you will find that between the first two you will logically have a Mayor 3rd interval, then a minor 3rd, a 2nd and again a minor 3rd from the VI back up to I. If however you start counting at the VI and regard that as a (new) I, you'd get that minor 3rd interval as a first interval , then the mayor 3rd (and you allready have the minor I, -III, V constellation of a minor chord)...
That's all to explain where the relative minor theory comes from.
How to apply it?
Well first, you do not allways need a 6th chord to work with, but you can now assume that if you know a Mayor chord possition and you move it up 3 frets it's the same chord just as a minor (some times, when there was no 6th tension, the root will be missing, but that's usually OK as the bass plays it).
So, we can then reverse the learned and say that:
A I chord can be regarded as a -VI
A IV chord can be regarded as a -II
A V chord can be regarded as a -III
These are the relative minors!
To you all it means is, that f you know how to play I, IV and V on your guitar (what ever setup it is) you indeed know how to play I, -II, -III, IV, V and -VI.
What else do you want?
Try it against a rhythm track!
... J-D.
First I think that the tuning and setup is not really of importance when you realize that most any Mayor chord can be regarded as a minor:
The most complete example is a Mayor6th chord, like the A6th chord you are getting at the nut with pedals A and B down or the B6th with only the E to Eb lower engaged or the E6th with the A pedal only:
And here's why:
A 6th chord has
a I a III a V a VI and again a I
If you look at the intervals between these notes you will find that between the first two you will logically have a Mayor 3rd interval, then a minor 3rd, a 2nd and again a minor 3rd from the VI back up to I. If however you start counting at the VI and regard that as a (new) I, you'd get that minor 3rd interval as a first interval , then the mayor 3rd (and you allready have the minor I, -III, V constellation of a minor chord)...
That's all to explain where the relative minor theory comes from.
How to apply it?
Well first, you do not allways need a 6th chord to work with, but you can now assume that if you know a Mayor chord possition and you move it up 3 frets it's the same chord just as a minor (some times, when there was no 6th tension, the root will be missing, but that's usually OK as the bass plays it).
So, we can then reverse the learned and say that:
A I chord can be regarded as a -VI
A IV chord can be regarded as a -II
A V chord can be regarded as a -III
These are the relative minors!
To you all it means is, that f you know how to play I, IV and V on your guitar (what ever setup it is) you indeed know how to play I, -II, -III, IV, V and -VI.
What else do you want?
Try it against a rhythm track!
... J-D.
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um... really didnt understand ur explanation .. but i know all about my minors. i just wanted someone to guide me on what pedals i need to hit and not hit that will give me a minor. like if im hitting an "A" what and where do i need to hit and slide the bar to get an "Am" thanks in advance
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What he means is that if you build your chord from
the C# as a root on string 5 with the A pedal down you have a minor on strings 5 4 3 I III- V
( expanded on with other notes if you like.
If you have the Eb lever actuated you have a A minor on 1st fret,
1 fret up from AB down open A.
No bar, if you hit the E to Eb lever you are getting the IIi minor or Ab minor chord
<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 14 December 2004 at 01:40 AM.]</p></FONT>
the C# as a root on string 5 with the A pedal down you have a minor on strings 5 4 3 I III- V
( expanded on with other notes if you like.
If you have the Eb lever actuated you have a A minor on 1st fret,
1 fret up from AB down open A.
No bar, if you hit the E to Eb lever you are getting the IIi minor or Ab minor chord
<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 14 December 2004 at 01:40 AM.]</p></FONT>
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Also note the 3 fret relationships with all these combinations.
It has to do with the relative minor to major relationships.
In C the relative minir is 3 frets back or Am minor
In g it is E for an E minor.
So a G6 with that E note
G B D (E)
is also the building block for it's relative minor 7 chord with the 6th as the root..
E G B (D)
And vica versa.
I have added levers to lower the 3rds on both my necks because I want the relative minors at hand in logical places.
Also with the Dom7 either included or on an existing lever.
Yes you can get them in other ways too,
I haven't lost those, but I a ALSO wanted them in the places that I, theory wise, think of them and those same voicings.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 14 December 2004 at 04:49 AM.]</p></FONT>
It has to do with the relative minor to major relationships.
In C the relative minir is 3 frets back or Am minor
In g it is E for an E minor.
So a G6 with that E note
G B D (E)
is also the building block for it's relative minor 7 chord with the 6th as the root..
E G B (D)
And vica versa.
I have added levers to lower the 3rds on both my necks because I want the relative minors at hand in logical places.
Also with the Dom7 either included or on an existing lever.
Yes you can get them in other ways too,
I haven't lost those, but I a ALSO wanted them in the places that I, theory wise, think of them and those same voicings.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 14 December 2004 at 04:49 AM.]</p></FONT>
Logan, not too long ago we had a thread on this subject. You can read it here:
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008900.html <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 14 December 2004 at 04:54 AM.]</p></FONT>
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008900.html <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 14 December 2004 at 04:54 AM.]</p></FONT>