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Topic: Converting a S-10 from E9 to C6 |
Dan Beller-McKenna
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Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 3:13 am |
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I am fortunate to own three good steels I’m very happy with: a S-10 Fessenden, a Super Pro and a Sho Bud 6139. I can’t play them all the time, of course, and as I have been enjoying the older sound of the Sho Buds for the past couple of years, the Fessenden has spent most of its time in the case, which is a shame because it’s a great axe. Last night as I examined changes I want make on the Super Pro to make the C6 more ergonomically sound (mainly moving the C6 LKL farther to the left: not a simple matter), I had the idea of changing the Fessy over from E9 to C6, and making that my primary C6 guitar. C6 for me is more of an at-home pleasure anyway, so I’m not really concerned with the prospect of being at a gig and not having E9 available. The back neck on the Super Pro would be available for the odd song or two that might come up at a gig where I think I will need C6.
The Fessy has 4+5, and I only have four pedals on the C6 on the Super Pro, so I figure I could get all the changes I want of a C6 set up on the Fessy.
So, any reasons I might live to regret this? I’m figuring I could always return it to E9 if I decide I don’t like it. Thoughts for anyone who has done a similar conversion would be welcome.
Dan |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 4:57 am
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There's no problem to it, if you have the correct number of bellcranks and the correct length rods. Jerry can supply you with those very easily.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 5:50 am
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You'd probably need a couple of bellcranks and rods, but this is no big deal.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 8:57 am
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| Pedals will be further left, which makes double-footing a little harder. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 9:13 am
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What Ken says is true, but very little of C6 involves double-footing. Especially when there's 5 knee levers involved.
Four pedals/5 levers = 5 pedals/4 levers. You've got enough changes available for almost anyone's C6 setup.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 9:25 am
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Put P5 on a knee and almost all double-footing goes away
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 9:35 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Put P5 on a knee and almost all double-footing goes away |
I'd say ALL double footing goes away.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Dan Beller-McKenna
From:
Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 4:14 pm
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Thanks for the replies, guys. I never could get comfortable with two-footing; moved pedal six up to a knee (RKL) long ago, put pedal five in the six spot, and put the C-C# raise on pedal 5.
I'm gonna go for it. Probably only need to or three pull rods and bellcranks from Jerry.
I'm also gonna shift things under the Super-Pro, but I need some vacation time to take that on. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Apr 2016 5:05 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| Put P5 on a knee and almost all double-footing goes away |
Yes, I'll admit getting that one from Stu Basore in 1966.  |
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Dan Beller-McKenna
From:
Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2016 5:01 am Update
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I went ahead with the E9 - C6 conversion on the Fessy. Took a couple of hours in total. Works very nicely, although I automatically sit too far to the right anticipating a bank of pedals that aren't there. Once I get myself in the right spot, it plays extremely nicely as a C6 neck.
All of this confirmed something I have always suspected: that I need to shift some knee levers on my Super Pro over to the left so that my legs aren't so close together while I play C6. Mostly this is to get the C6 LKL (Which I added on when I got the guitar and gets a lot of use since I put the pedal 6 changes on it) to the left. That would put it right where the E9 LKR sits. As as a reversing lever, that LKR has two cross-shafts that straddle the cross-shaft for pedal 5, as seen here:
My thought is to move this over to the left (ie., to the right in the photo above), so it straddles the cross-shaft for pedal 4, thus opening a space to move C6 LKL over. Having spent a long time holding an extra knee lever at various points under he guitar while I sit behind it, it feels like this will leave adequate spacing between E9 LKL and LKR. Moving E9 LKR over will also get it out of the way for some of the C^ rodding which will allow be to include some changes I have avoided because they would involve multiple rod bends.
Has anyone ever moved the levers over on a Super Pro? Well, I know someone has. Back when I was planning to install my C6 LKL, I found this photo on the form of a Super Pro with nine knees:
Thoughts? |
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