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Topic: Possibly frozen collars |
L. A. Wunder
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Lombard, Illinois, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2004 9:53 am |
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Hey fellow forumites! It's time for another chapter in the saga of the "Steel guitar from He--!" I'm in the proccess of ordering new keys, but another problem has cropped up at the other end of the guitar. Some of the collars are so tight, that they cannot be turned at all. I am afraid to snap the wrench if I keep trying. Is there any way to lubricate the mechanism to loosen it up? If so, what do you use? (I'm certain that "Liquid Wrench" is NOT the answer.)Do you have any other suggestions? I don't know of any repair people nearby, so I'm pretty much on-my-own. Your suggestions and/or advice are welcome.
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John Daugherty
From:
Rolla, Missouri, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2004 10:17 am
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| Are you referring to the collars which fasten to the rod at the bellcrank? I am guessing that you may be referring to the tuning nuts. If so,are they metal or plastic?........JD |
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L. A. Wunder
From:
Lombard, Illinois, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2004 10:22 am
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Tuning nut is correct. Sorry for the mix-up. They're metal and they accept a skinny little "allen" wrench for adjustment.
L.A. |
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 24 Nov 2004 1:03 pm
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Don't mean to butt in, but sounds like they have run out of thread, if that is the case, back off a few rounds and take up the slack at the bellcranks,there should be a setscrew there.where the rod goes through a collar.
What brand of guitar is it? Are the tuning nuts open ended/threaded thru, or closed.
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2004 1:10 pm
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| They're metal and they accept a skinny little "allen" wrench for adjustment. |
Well that being said; I can only guess you are talking about a Sho~bud professional or barrel tuning Sho~bud. At the fingers if your refering to the metal tuners that take a allen wrench to turn? Well you don't want to take those off as they are supposed to be affixed to the rod and you turn the rod whick turns the barrel behind either a rack or two hole puller that is engaged with a knee lever or pedal.
What pedal steel are you talking about and what is it your trying to do?
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L. A. Wunder
From:
Lombard, Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2004 10:50 am
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Mr. Davis,
Believe-it-or-not,it isn't a Sho-Bud. It's a 1982 Emmons P/P D-10! I got it brand-new, but it must have been the last of the lot. I think this was at the point when Lashley went to the all-pull Le Grand model.
I thought it would have the white plastic "hex" tuners, (or whatever they're called) at the endplate like the rest of the guitars I was seeing. When it showed-up with "collars" on it,like my Sho-Bud, I almost cried. It was a gift, so I couldn't say anything about it, and I didn't know enough at the time to question it anyhow.
The problem is, the "collar" that adjusts the lever lowering the 6th. string G# to F#, is impossible to turn either way. I can't back-it-off, as one forum member suggested, because it can't be budged. Some of the other tuning collars are nearly as bad, and the half-tone tuner doesn't seem to work either.
I didn't tinker with it, I swear I didn't! I just tried to tune it one day, and it wouldn't move. I'm really at a loss over what to do about it, and the guitar is getting harder and harder to play. I think it has some real "mechanism" problems. Any advice?
L.A.
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Glenn Austin
From:
Montreal, Canada
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Posted 26 Nov 2004 12:41 pm
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| My Emmons had the same problem. What you need to start with is a good set of Allen wrenches. Bondhus Ball Drivers, ,not a set of chinese dollar store crap. The Allen key will be bending in your hand when you're trying to undo the part but the screw threads will come loose from the collar. You will hear a tell tale crack sound when it comes loose. It will also need to be that tight when you're finished adjusting. |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2004 3:56 pm
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OH a Push-Pull ah ...ha....well I don't have a clue...but there are many starting with Glenn that do...ha.
Ricky |
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 26 Nov 2004 4:03 pm
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Glenn said, (You will hear a tell tale crack sound when it comes loose.) It is advisable to hold the allen wrench with a pair of pliers, or small vise grips, cause it stings like crazy when it pops and you're holding it bare handed.
Now don't it!!
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L. A. Wunder
From:
Lombard, Illinois, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2004 1:54 pm
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Thanks for all your replies. I haven't tried anything yet, but I will. If there are any other suggestions or tips out there, I'm still accepting advice.
Do you have any reccomedations for lubrication of the undercarriage, or any other moving parts? The pedals creak and it sounds like a junk drawer falling down stairs. (I guess 22 must be pretty old in "steel years.")
L.A.
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Glenn Austin
From:
Montreal, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2004 9:55 am
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I would use a dry silicone lube from a spray can on the undercarriage, but only if everything is spotlessly clean. If there is any old gummed up oil or grease on there, then your best bet is to go with oil again. The only problem with oil is that it will eventually end up on your pants. For the changer use gun oil or 3 in 1.
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