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Topic: Any good courses on Playing runs between chords? |
Jeff Metz Jr.
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 9:17 am |
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I am looking to get a better understanding of those long syrupy lloyd green and paul franklin runs. Getting familiar with playing melody and harmonys over simple chord changes. Thats seems to be the hardest part to grasp on steel for me. The Guitar players are doing a 1,4,5 progression but the steel is playing in and all around those chords. Thanks
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 12:22 pm
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Check out Lane's videos. He's a very good player and explains things well.
Jeff Newman has a course dedicated to intros, endings and fills.
Bandstand Backup
Two parts. Part one is a two hour introduction to the Nashville professional approach to playing along with a singer. Part two shows you how to deal with the odd places in songs for fills and when not to play. $80.00 ea.
http://www.jeffran.com/courses.php?content=VideoCourses
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 3:03 pm
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| Beginners, what Lane has just demonstrated to you in these YouTube videos is very important. Bravo Lane for this instruction. |
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 3:21 pm
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you've got to appreciate lane's spirit and willingness to help.
...but lane, i'm not sure about that growth of hair beneath your lip. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 4:30 pm
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One morning I forgot to shave it in the shower, and Denise saw it and said she thought it was cool.
If she likes it and I'm indifferent, her vote beats the Internet.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Brett Lanier
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Hermitage, TN
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 5:42 pm
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Courses and video instruction can be good, but you'll learn more by picking things apart by ear off of records. If you're not sure what strings or position something is played in, learn it in three different places on the neck.
Another thing that's important with playing through chord changes is recognizing which scale/mode should be played. For example, on a major chord, Major, Dominant, or Lydian scales are your choices 95% of the time. All three are used all the time even in the straightest country songs, but just that one note difference of a raised or natural 4, or flat or natural seventh is what is going to tie things together in a way that sounds right. |
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Dustin Rigsby
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Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 20 Mar 2016 5:42 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
One morning I forgot to shave it in the shower, and Denise saw it and said she thought it was cool.
If she likes it and I'm indifferent, her vote beats the Internet. |
You've succumbed to the hipster soul patch ! 
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Jeff Harbour
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Western Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2016 11:47 am
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| Courses and video instruction can be good, but you'll learn more by picking things apart by ear off of records. |
I totally agree with this statement, and I want to add on the utter importance of "listening". When you are not physically playing, listen to as many recordings as possible. It sounds overly simple... but your subconscious actually continues practicing! Many times playing live I take solos and amaze myself with something I didn't realize I could do. That only means my subconscious learned it while I wasn't paying attention!! |
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Jeff Metz Jr.
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York, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 21 Mar 2016 3:01 pm
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Absolutely Guys! I was thing about this as of late. I really don't do much listening and learning from recordings. I usually just sit at the steel and Figure stuff out. But its almost impossible to find out what runs work over what without trying it out over a track. Unless your a theory genius.
Thanks guys, Inspired once again.
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Last edited by Jeff Metz Jr. on 4 Apr 2016 1:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 9:14 am
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Great stuff Lane. Thanks for posting. |
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Justin Griffith
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Taylor, Texas, USA
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Tom Vollmer
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Hamburg, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2016 5:17 pm
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Jeff,
We are jamming in Hamburg Thur April 7.Call me if interested |
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Paul Redmond
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 3 Apr 2016 10:03 pm
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Frenchy's PSG Shop used to carry a book and CD by Catfish John Geer called "I to IV Chord Changes". I got a copy many years ago and it has some good stuff.
PRR |
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Alan Simon
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 1:27 am
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| I'm new to pedal as well and Lanes vids helped me understand and play bigtime. I got all his vids bookmarked to refer back to. Thanks Lane, Simon |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 4:17 am
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You're entirely welcome, Alan.
I apologize for the umms and uhhs, but when I'm talking to myself that happens. I shoot each video about 4 times, and choose the best one.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 5:06 am
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| Jeff Metz Jr. wrote: |
| Absolutely Guys! I was thing about this as of late. I really don't do much listening and learning from recordings. |
When learning to play music, nothing is more essential than listening.  |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 5:17 am
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Indeed. Bob Moore's bass playing would have been less cool if he hadn't been listening to Ray Brown.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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George Kimery
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Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 5:56 am Any good courses on playing fills between chords?
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| Great advice from Jeff Newman and relevant to this subject: "Don't listen to something once than try 50 times to play it. Listen to it 50 times, then play it once." |
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Bruce Derr
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Lee, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 9:06 am
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| Besides courses, and forgive me if this is too obvious to need mentioning, but I've found it helpful to practice scales (both going across the strings and going up/down the strings) and arpeggios, and also to practice playing melodies of songs. I think these things can increase your ability to come up with and play your own ideas spontaneously. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 11:17 am
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Scales and arpeggios are essential to any instrument, but unfortunately it does need pointing out sometimes!
I'm musical enough to be able to pick out a melody. What I find really challenging on the steel (and fulfilling if I get it right) is harmonizing a tune tastefully in 6ths or 3rds as appropriate. Winnie Winston points out the importance of harmonized scales.
BTW, the Jim Loessberg book is out of stock in the forum store. Is there anywhere else to look?
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 11:23 am
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Have you tried www.jimloessberg.com?
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 1:18 pm personally.............
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I find all of the musical 'fills' that I might want or find to be appropriate will typically lie in the musical line immediately ahead of where you're at, at the moment.
It's important that YOUR Fills, will NOT clash with what the vocalist just sang. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 1:23 pm
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Indeed, Ray. But you've been doing this for decades more than I, and I've been doing it for three decades and change.
How do you train/teach them to recognize the cues in the melody?
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Jeff Metz Jr.
From:
York, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 4 Apr 2016 1:39 pm
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I think What I am actually asking about are "FILLS". I didn't know to use that term. So are there many books or cd's on FILLS? Maybe something that explains it in terms of what chords the fill will work over? Thanks
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