Cor`s Problem

John Davis · Post by **John Davis** » 8 Nov 2004 6:40 am

Ray, here is mine, just about to post, hope it meets with your approval
JD

Greensboro
North Carolina
NC27410 8th.November 2004

Dear Sirs,

I write to you concerning a Burlington NC. business, The Emmons Lashley Guitar Company I believe they are located at Webb Avenue, Burlington NC.
Though I am aware they are not members of your organization, I just wondered if there is anything you can do to help resolve this situation?
It is common knowledge among the steel guitar players in Europe that a gentleman living near Rotterdam by the name of Mr.Cor Muizer has sent The Emmons Company $4500 being the full payment for a new steel guitar. He has a receipt for the money, but to date no instrument or refund!
I firmly believe this is not the American way to do business, and reflects very badly on your community.The Company has not responded in any way, and is ignoring all forms of communication.
I feel their conduct in this matter will have a serious effect on American exports to Europe and probably the rest of the world
especially for this much loved instrument.
I intend to notify all the people I know who play this instrument as to what has happened here (there are more than 400 of them) so you may get some more post on this subject.
I would really like to see this Company do the right thing and regain the respect it once had worldwide.

Yours Faithfully, J.Davis

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 8 Nov 2004 7:00 am

He has a receipt for the money, but to date no instrument or refund!

John, you might add something to that line like: ... no instrument or refund after waiting X months. Moreover, he has repeatedly tried to contact the company and they have apparently refused to respond.

I think the reader will need to know that Cor has tried the usual methods first before they would consider getting involved.
I hope it helps!

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 8 Nov 2004 7:37 am

I thought that since so many of you are voicing such anti Emmons venom that you wouldn't be caught dead playing a guitar with that name on it. It would be much better to sell it than take an axe to it. If you are truly dedicated to the cause, it surely would be akin to the liberals threatening to leave the Country after losing the last election. By the way, I haven't heard of any leaving, have you?

I guess it's another case of all hat, no horse!

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 08 November 2004 at 07:40 AM.]

John Davis · Post by **John Davis** » 8 Nov 2004 8:03 am

Erv, there is no anti Emmons venom in anything I have posted, I have the greatest respect for the man and the instrument. That is not what this thread is about!
I think that the strengnth of feeling generated by this thread is a direct reflection of the high regard we all have for the man and the guitar.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 8 Nov 2004 9:02 am

Said before and I will say it again.

I do NOT like Buddy's family name being dragged through the mud like this.

In several posts here, I try to make sure I am NOT using the Emmons family name
in relation to crtiicizing the business CONDUCT of the present owners of the marque "Emmons"

Plenty of Emmons steels were built before the current proprieters took over.

I wouldn't sell a 1927 model T, just because Ford is screwing it's current employees and I wanted to protest that...
Apples and oranges.

Erv this has nothing what so ever to do with conservative or liberal causes.
Though I have noted you almost invariably take the opposite position from me on all issues, or don't comment at all.

So don't bother trying to sidetracks this one into your take on intolerant politics.
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 08 November 2004 at 09:11 AM.]

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 8 Nov 2004 9:09 am

guys ,

today i called the BBB in greens boro and i send them the complaint by email aswell the payment receipt and told the story on the phone.
they told me if i sent right out everything in the email they will sendt it today to the emmons company.

and ofcourse, thank you all for your support.
will never forget that.

so send a lot of emails through the BBB
i think it would help mine is already there

cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 10:04 AM.]

Post by **Joey Ace** » 8 Nov 2004 9:50 am

" so many of you are voicing such anti Emmons venom "

If this is true, please post an example so we can deal with it.

"Venom" is allowed here, just as politics are not allowed. Most members respect these rules.

Post by **b0b** » 8 Nov 2004 10:16 am

I really want to see this resolved. If there's "another side" to this story, I've yet to hear it.

I won't close this topic just because it's bad press for Emmons Guitar Company, but we should all be careful not to commit libel. This is a civil case, so let's act with some civility!

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Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 8 Nov 2004 10:54 am

Cor

Are you sure that an e-mail is enough.
If this happens to you overhere in The Netherlands you are obligated to send in a written complaint.Otherwise they will not help you.

I think it won't hurt to call them again and ask them if only an e-mail will do.

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 8 Nov 2004 10:58 am

FWIW, I believe there are (at least) two sides to every story, and I believe that Emmons/Lashley has no obligation to explain themselves to us on the Forum. BUT: I definitely believe that COR has a right to hear their side of the story, if they have one, and if they continue to refuse to COMMUNICATE with COR, they deserve all the scrutiny they're receiving here.

There are lots of used Emmons guitars around for those who want to play one (Hal's got a beauty for sale right now); no one needs to give the silent Lashley's any new money until they agree to communicate with Cor. I know I won't.

Rick Johnson · Post by **Rick Johnson** » 8 Nov 2004 11:22 am

I've been reading these posts for
weeks, like everyone else just
wanting the situation resolved.
There is almost nothing else to say
that hasn't already been said.
The "silence" of the Lashley family
really hurts. My understanding of
our legal system clearly places
the burden of proof on Cor and he
is in another country.

I personally will never call the
Emmons Company again for anything.

Best wishes to you Cor.

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Rick Johnson

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 8 Nov 2004 11:23 am

don't worry Ron what you said i already done

thanks for the help

and Rick johnson thank you so much.

cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:27 AM.][This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:27 AM.]

Rick Garrett · Post by **Rick Garrett** » 8 Nov 2004 11:24 am

Thats a good post Jim. I bet forumites buy more Emmons guitars than the rest of the steel playing world. I can't believe that Emmons Guitar wouldn't take the time and concern to respond to this quesion. I've seen other mfg's ruined online by things just like this.

Rick

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 8 Nov 2004 11:34 am

Rick Garrett,
i don't wanna ruined the lashley's they doing it themselves.

if they were nice and honest to pay me back the money i send to them for a guitar that is never build.
i won't tell it here on the forum if it was solved .

but it don't so thats why i will tell anybody.
so if you wanna deal with them for a guitar
it is your choice not mine.

but be carefull

no more, but thank you all for support like i said before and i hope it solved soon.

cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:38 AM.][This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:39 AM.][This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:40 AM.]

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 8 Nov 2004 11:39 am

Cor -- have you spoken to a lawyer in the Netherlands about the possibility of filing a suit against Emmons Co. in the Netherlands? As has been discussed above, maybe it's possible that a Netherlands court could have jurisdiction over Emmons Co. because they apparently operate a dealer network there. In that case, it might be a lot easier than traveling all the way to the U.S. Just a thought.

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 8 Nov 2004 11:44 am

Tom ,

it should cost me a lot of money.
let me try out what i set in proces today by the BBB.

any way thanks for your help or suggestions.

cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 08 November 2004 at 11:45 AM.]

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 8 Nov 2004 12:07 pm

Tom

I don't think that the Dutch court has any jurisdiction over the Lashleys in the U.S.

As far as i know they never approached a dealer in The Netherlands and asked them if they want to be dealer of the steel guitars that they are building.

I think the only thing Cor could do is the thing he already did.Get in touch with the BBB and try to have them solve this case.
If the BBB fails and they can't force The Lashley's to either pay the money or come up with a solution that satisfies both party's then there are no more legal options left.

And FWIW....I hate to see the Emmons name dragged thru mud here all the time.Ain't there someway that we can reply to this topic without abusing the Emmons name.

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6[This message was edited by Ronald ! on 08 November 2004 at 12:15 PM.]

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 8 Nov 2004 12:21 pm

i already said it much, it's about the people behind it,not the name emmons.

cor

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 8 Nov 2004 12:38 pm

I like the tone of the ZB guitars, and Tom Brumley----OOPS, WRONG THREAD

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 8 Nov 2004 1:51 pm

OK -- I guess I was misinformed. I was under the impression that the E****s Co. had an established dealer network in Europe including the Netherlands.

If there are in fact no ties what-so-ever b/t the E****s Co. and the Netherlands E****s dealer (althought I don't understand how that is possible++), then you are correct --there would probably be no jurisdiction in the Netherlands.

(++although maybe what you are saying is that there is no dealer that sells E****s product in the Netherlands.) [This message was edited by Tom Olson on 08 November 2004 at 01:54 PM.]

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 8 Nov 2004 1:58 pm

Cor-

Here's a link to a TV station near Burlington that handles consumer problems. www.wfmy.com/2wtk/callforaction.aspx

Click on the "Call for Action Online Request Form" to submit your information.

C#
www.calsharp.com

Cal Sharp · Post by **Cal Sharp** » 8 Nov 2004 2:06 pm

And then there's a local newspaper: www.thetimesnews.com/index.php

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 8 Nov 2004 2:30 pm

Lookin' Good Gentlemen

it's taken 9 pages and will probably take a few more, but it looks like we're gettin' it together
let us not neglect what our Capt' said:
" we should all be careful not to commit libel. This is a civil case, so let's act with some civility!"

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 8 Nov 2004 2:57 pm

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Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 8 Nov 2004 4:30 pm

Hello my Friends, i'm back,tonight i'm hurting and very disappointed,i've tryed so hard to help every way i know.have emailed called, ask if any way this could be solved. no response,only thing all is fine,ron is staying busy,and i think he is building cor another another guitar.well,enough is enough,playing games with people.Lets let the curtains fall!!! you don't know but i lost a 4000.00 dollar guitar myself, warped all to hell,no warranty,time had expired,JACK built it,any way i'm out 4000.00 myself.and still tryed to help!!It's time for all to come down.LET the CHIPS FALL!!I tryed to do all i knew how,don't even know those people.Ron told me sob story how he got it back,busted ect. well don't take much to win my heart.now the sorrow is over. least a man can do is answer a email!!sick of it,there is a t v station here in fl. that gets results for deals like this here, and i suppose the same in N C, get the T V station on it, and all the BBB, ect. there doors will close quick. don't know about cors money, someone will own the machinery, and the Emmons franchise ect.It Hurts,but if thats the way it got to be, then give it all.!!!Love every one, farris