Cor`s Problem

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 4 Oct 2004 11:29 am

Maybe they don't read the Forum?

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 4 Oct 2004 11:30 am

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Terry Sneed · Post by **Terry Sneed** » 4 Oct 2004 11:33 am

well, maybe they should have got it straightened out when it first started. before there was any legal action. I know I wouldn't allow my co to be attacked without gettin my 2 cents in.

Terry

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84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.

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Tom Callahan · Post by **Tom Callahan** » 4 Oct 2004 11:44 am

Aint but two people got a dog in this show.

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Emmons S-10
Rayline SD-10 (#46)
Nashville 400

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 4 Oct 2004 12:11 pm

no results for me or updates till today

cor

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 4 Oct 2004 5:00 pm

Many things could have happened. From the sounds of it, a validator of the ID of the person cashing the check might be responsible if the person or company named on the check cashed it unbenownced to E, or if it was fraudulently cashed one way or the other without proper ID.

Either way, if money was transferred through a banking entity, the appropriate AG will definitely get it straightened out. The Bank involved will have a major part if not responsibility if any claims of non reciept apply.

Since there's an international interaction, there might be a need for other entities.

Cor.

Is Dutch your native language?

Is there somebody that can more clearly state things to us single language 'mericans in a way that would be easier for you, and give us a more understandable picture of all the steps?

Just passing by and wondered.

EJL

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 5 Oct 2004 7:26 am

what do you want Eric?

i already said before that the mother from Rebecca cashed my money and forwarded it to Rebecca.

so what is the problem they got my money in december 2003 $4000,00 and before $500,00
so thats $4500,00. and the guitar is never build. and i didn't have received an orderform or whatever so thats it.

cor

Scott Appleton · Post by **Scott Appleton** » 5 Oct 2004 7:36 am

I suggest every one on the forum send a letter to
Emmons asking for a public disclosure of this case.
If Cor is telling the truth then Emmons must be building a steel for him. No other person I know of
has ordered a steel and just been completely ignored by the Emmons Co.
What about the steel players who know Buddy or the
steel players who know everyone at the Company?
It seems like everyone is beating around the bush
and not getting to the nitty gritty.

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 5 Oct 2004 7:44 am

well scott,

as you maybe reed before i was quit the order in the first place because of my healthy problems with muscle vibrations and reflexes and in the second place because of the long long wait.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 5 Oct 2004 7:59 am

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Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 5 Oct 2004 8:07 am

i'm not angry about you all guys

thanks for helping me no problem but al you asking i already have done and try out

so i got nothing and as i said before i did not having an order form from emmons or estimate so as you know it was al about trust but i can tell you i didn't have that anymore in this busyness.

but anyway better to close this topic and wait till somebody else having the same trouble with them hopely then you al wil believe me that it was true what is happened

greetings and god bless you all

cor

(i'm not writing here anymore)

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 5 Oct 2004 8:54 am

Cor, I think the best thing you could do to forward your aims on the forum,
AND settle this issue is
is find a decent translator.

Write what you want to say, ask for a translation, even if just by e-mail,
and THEN post it.
But NOT before.

I really am quite sure this was right at the heart of the problem with Emmons Co.

Ok Jim, when you don't know the language it is EASY..
VERY easy ,to say things people take exception too,
and never realise that you have done it....

And when they come back to you negatively,
you don't understand and it makes the situation worse.
add even a suspicion of anger at being misunderstood
and it all explodes.

I know, because I live where I am not great in the language.
I have been playing catch up for 9 years.. trust me I see the issue here.

I think Cor would have gotten farther if he had a passable translator involved from day one.
That doesn't mean he had one available to him.
or the budget, since being injured, to pay for a big time translator.

Enlgish may be pretty universal, but not like an American thinks it will be before he comes over.

I am used to language cocckups and see clearly the euro dialect and grammer being twisted in the anglo format during this thread.

I think this is even clearer to my other bi-lingual forumite buddy.
Unfortunately neither of us speak dutch.

So lets all chill.
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Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 5 Oct 2004 9:11 am

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Pete Burak · Post by **Pete Burak** » 5 Oct 2004 10:38 am

FWIW, Expedia.com shows Rotterdam to Greensboro NC going for $875.

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 5 Oct 2004 11:14 am

it just so happens that the Dutch are quite fluent in English, French and German. i know many Dutch who speak very good English and i'm sure that Cor would have NO problem findin' a Dutch to help him translate, transmit & recieve.
btw: there's enough Dutch Fo'Bro's here too.
Scott A's proposal ain't bad either - imagine us all writin' to Emmons Co on this affair - i'm sure they would'nt dig that at all

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 5 Oct 2004 12:26 pm

Cor had a website at this address: http://www.blue-audioproductions.com/

This website is no longer available online.
Some Forumites may recall that this website indicated that Cor had the Emmons dealership.
I wonder what happened to that dealership.[This message was edited by Peter on 05 October 2004 at 01:32 PM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 5 Oct 2004 1:13 pm

Ah Jim.. for some reason my dyslexia lead me to think you were in NEW Mexico.
You're more off the beaten path than me!

Yes peas / boobies, a common mistake.
Ask the ambasadors wife to pass the nipples,
yeah I can dig it.

I was just reminded of me writing a few years back "
" I the undersigned ..." je le sous signée....

but actualy writing : Je le sous singe... I the Under Monkey.

Went over well at the post office.

In any case Cor needs to get some help for the translation. Slower but clearer works for me.

Not sure what the "dealership" issue would be.
It could be language related too?
"I know these good guys building steels, I can get them for you", becomes "dealership"
... language again.
I never saw the site, so it's just speculation.

It has occured to me to have the documentaion scanned and posted here.
Recipts and anything like a demand to build or cancel etc.
That would certainly bloster Cor's case in this venue. Unless the AG suggests not to.

But facts are facts and all else is irrlevant,

Not emails, but actual letterhead paper documents.

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 5 Oct 2004 4:50 pm

Cor did you ever have an Emmons dealership? (like a franchise) maybe Peter can translate dealership intoo Afrikaans or Dutch!

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 5 Oct 2004 5:45 pm

Cor.

I wish you luck.

If it is exactly as you say, things will work out.

Maybe even better than you thought.

If not, It won't.

Maybe even worse than you thought.

EJL

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 5 Oct 2004 7:51 pm

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Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 6 Oct 2004 12:22 am

IMHO it has nothing to do with languageproblems.Like Crowbear said before... the Dutch do know several languages.
If there has been a payment towards Emmons made by Cor they should deliver the Steel.However......Cor does not want the Guitar anymore.That's his good right.
I would do the same if a builder exceeds his delivery agreement by several months.

The only thing that Emmons or another builder can do is keep the downpayment and refund the rest of the money.

I don't know how these things are handled in The U.S.A but overhere in The Netherlands people can withdraw there payment at any time if they want to.The only thing that has to be paid is the downpayment.
The people overhere are protected by the law in such cases.
However if the customer has made a legal transaction and signed the required papers they are liable to this agreement.
Both the customer and the salesman have to obey these rules.

Ron

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David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 6 Oct 2004 5:09 am

Ron clearly your english is MUCH better than Cor's
I have found almost all the Dutch have great english.. but not ALL.

I love going over there. Amsterdam is a real fun town.
I saw Candy Dulfer at Melkweg last time: great show.

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 6 Oct 2004 6:21 am

Ronald.

Sometimes americans don't put their thoughts together very well either. Our language and dialects leave room for as much unclarity, or outright deception as any, and more than most.

English is a language devised to take things from people without them knowing how it happened.

Ask any indian.

In this case. Things we don't know:

Whose name was on the two checks. Whether it was "Emmons Guitar Co". Who cashed the Checks? Who endorsed them? Where were these checks sent? Which bank cashed them?

"mother of Rebecca cashed checks, has money and gave to them" is a pretty piss poor description of a $4500 situation in any language.

Any cab driver in Amsterdam could put it more clearly than the respondent.

I've been in Holland and found many kinds of language barriers, dialects.

Also I have found in my dealings over the years that often people can feign minimal understanding of a language to keep from explaining all the pertainant details.

For instance.

A check could have been sent to anybody here, cashed by anybody, and never have come anywhere near the Emmons Guitar Co. It could have been sent to a friend, or several people here could have tried cashing several checks made out to god knows who until they finally "hit". Kind of a "free money transfer" Of course, the bill would be picked up by either the bank or the company, unless nobody cares to "write it off".

We've seen dozens of "offshore check cashing scams" here. I know I have.

Absent the pertainant information I mentioned: Full name of the Payee, Full Name of the Endorser, Bank on which the checks were drawn, Bank that cashed them, and address to which they were sent, I nor anybody else, however well meaning onlookers can't make any sense out of this situation.

I certainly can't, and I speak pretty good "american".

The information I mentioned is pretty easy to type ( or have translated and typed) and pass on. It's absolutely imperitive.

The AG will tell him the same thing.

I'm outa here.

EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 06 October 2004 at 09:32 AM.]

John Davis · Post by **John Davis** » 6 Oct 2004 10:03 am

You guys that are interested in an update here it is............... I have spoken to Cor on the phone and I can tell you that his spoken English is perfectly clear and easy to understand, his written English may leave a little to be desired, and for that reason I have advised him not to post here, it serves no usefull purpose having him "wound up" by people, and IMO the guy has already lost enough.If you cannot be supportive and wish to question his integrity further,Go start your own topic!
The bottom line remains-He has paid the money-He has a reciept-And nothing else!!!
As far as progress is concerned, there is very little, I have spoken to The Consumer protection Dept.and they do not appear to have any "teeth" In Burlington
(unless they get a whole lot more complaints)
Re. The Emmons Co.
So I have contacted a local Burlington lawyer and am awaiting his response as to whether or not he can help Cor.
I have seen Cor`s receipt for the money and the letter from the AG`s office that has drawn no response from the Emmons Co.to date.

New people are getting drawn into this topic as , seeing it for the first time, they are asking Cor the same questions over and over again!!

Go back over the previous topics on this case and you will see he has answered all the questions!!!!!

You all have no idea how hard it is to start litigation 3000 miles away, just to find a lawyer is a major job at that distance, luckily I speak reasonable English, and a little American so I am just trying to help a fellow forumite--------lets just wait a while and see what happens, I am sure there are good people out there that will bump this topic until its resolved!!!!!
Something we can all agree on
We all love the Emmons name, Don`t we???
JD.

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 6 Oct 2004 11:24 am

John

I hope that you can be of some help to him.

However...this is a free forum..and if someone has something to say about a post or a topic he or she should have his or her chance to do so.Maybe there are some members (like me for example)that are new to this forum.That does not take away their right to speak.
Don't get me wrong John i am not attacking you in any way.