Cor's Undelivered Emmons

Joe Alterio · Post by **Joe Alterio** » 14 Sep 2004 9:17 am

If Cor has in fact lost money on this deal, it's a dern shame. And I hope that he is able to recover his money.

But, what is the point of starting this all over again?

Cor, if you haven't already, get a lawyer and start the process of getting your money back. If you sent money in the mail, you may have a basis for mail fraud (and you may want to contact the USPS to get their suggestion as to how to proceed). If you used a credit card, dispute the charge. You will almost certainly get a resolution this way.

Unless someone pops up on here to say they will contact Ron on your behalf, I'm not sure what this thread will accomplish. The fact is, we only have one side of the story, and there is no obligation (or expectation) for Emmons Steel Guitar Co. to come on to a public forum to resolve a private issue.

Again, I really hope that if Cor did lose money, that he gets his money back and that the Emmons Steel Guitar Co. is reprimanded. If the Emmons Steel Guitar Co. is without fault in this case (we don't know their story), then I hope that those facts come to light.

In either case, I just hope this gets settled one way or other....but the facts today are that nothing has changed.

Not really much left to say until something happens....

Joe

Billy Murdoch · Post by **Billy Murdoch** » 14 Sep 2004 9:23 am

If I was Ron Or Rebecca I most certainly would have posted something on this subject before now.
If they are trying to save the company their customer relations are deplorable.,they allegedly cannot deliver the goods and they are in no way trying to clarify the situation.
as Crowbear said there are two sides to the story, Come on Rebecca SPEAK UP,
I am not making any judgements on this issue
but the Lashleys do not look good by maintaining silence.

I have an Emmons guitar which I think is fantastic
Best regards
Billy

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 14 Sep 2004 9:26 am

thanks joe,

but it is already laying by the attorney general but even they didn't have a response from emmons till now

cor

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 14 Sep 2004 12:22 pm

At this time there are very cheap airfares from Europe to ther USA around $350. I think Cor should forget lawyers and come over here himself and go to Emmons factory and confront them directly and demand his money or his guitar..

Chris Schlotzhauer · Post by **Chris Schlotzhauer** » 14 Sep 2004 12:32 pm

It may be hard to get the money. I'm sure it has been spent on past due bills and materials. I believe Emmons is still producing guitars, so why won't they just build the guitar they owe Cor. This has the classic sign of a company about to go under. They have no cash to refund Cor, or pay for materials for commited orders. They are probably on C.O.D. with vendors. That's why it take forever to get one. Cor might want to make that trip. His guitar may not be built, but I would walk out of there with something. If they go under, Cor and others who put up cash will be left in the cold. The major vendors get dibs on assests first.

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 14 Sep 2004 1:09 pm

Cor!! If it were me I would get on to www. expedia.com or one of the other air fare discounters and get over to North Carolina before it is too late.

B.Jenkins · Post by **B.Jenkins** » 14 Sep 2004 1:17 pm

Cor, sent me a email copy from another dealer, who is on this forum, where he offered to buy the steel from Emmons, so they could refund Cor's money, AND he was told at that time a month or so back, that the guitar wasn't even built at that time, So how can Cor sell a guitar or anyone buy it, when it wasn't even built?
Was Emmons company at the convention selling steels this year? If so why didnt they send Cor the steel he ordered in 2003?
Seems like Emmons did this same thing to some other fellows a while back,
Looks like people would learn by now on how they do business, DON'T deal with them directly, go through a dealer..or buy something else instead..
Billy.....

Chris Schlotzhauer · Post by **Chris Schlotzhauer** » 14 Sep 2004 1:24 pm

he was told at that time a month or so back, that the guitar wasn't even built at that time

I would definitly go there and insist on walking out with a guitar or my money

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 14 Sep 2004 1:37 pm

Cor! dear friend,

This is a very sad situation. I am sorry for maybe giving you bad advice about flying over here to sort it out. I did not realise that you are now disabled. Would you even be able to fly over here? How badly are you disabled? Perhaps we should start a fund to help our dear friend Cor! Has anyone got any better ideas how to help our dear friend who is disabled and 4000 miles awy from the problem?

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 14 Sep 2004 1:44 pm

well thanks you all guy's,

but emmons have to pay me back and if they didn't i would that everybody know's that al over the entire world
so go on here.

anyway thanks again

cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 14 September 2004 at 02:45 PM.]

John Bresler · Post by **John Bresler** » 14 Sep 2004 5:59 pm

It doesn't look good since their web page isn't even up yet.

Jim Smith · Post by **Jim Smith** » 14 Sep 2004 6:55 pm

Their web site has changed. It's now: http://emmonsguitar.net/

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 15 Sep 2004 1:42 am

In Chattanooga we have a news channel called "Three on your side" with their tv cameras etc. They solve disputes by showing up at the business with the client. They get the facts and act as arbitrors. There is no charge for this services. They have solved many disputes in an equitable manner.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 15 Sep 2004 1:46 am

It probably wouldn't be a good idea for Cor to go to Emmons. The only thing he would leave with, would be the memory of a ride in the back seat of a police car.

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Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 15 Sep 2004 2:18 am

Wow,i should stay off here.but i was raised up in the woods.we go rabbit hunting with 12ga. ha ha.sorry boys!!!!
farris

Rick Johnson · Post by **Rick Johnson** » 15 Sep 2004 3:47 am

What can we do to help resolve this
matter?

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Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 15 Sep 2004 4:50 am

Surely someone with close ties to the company can run this by them and provide some kind of an answer, and save everybody a lot of trouble and embarassment.

Did the company mention anything of the merits of this particular order when requesting the previous thread be closed?

Cor: do you have an order number, cancelled check or receipt?

EJL

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 15 Sep 2004 6:34 am

Obviously, we still don't know Emmons (Rebecca) side of the story but heck Cor shelled out 4500$ and did'nt get his horn
i feel for the guy
what would you do if this happened to you ?
go over w: a 12 gauge and ride in the back of a cop car or say well Emmons is too cool fer school, they'll come through
i suggest that those of us who are more than 2000 miles from NC, all order a model like Cor did from Emmons (Rebecca)so they can make his while we wait for ours

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 15 Sep 2004 7:47 am

hi crowbear, i think it isn't a good idea
because there are not enough parts to build.

joking.........!!!!!!!!

well i don't know guys.

hi eric,

i ask them a 100 times to sent me an estimate plus given me the total price for my guitar with all the extra options or not

but loud and clear they didn't so what else can i do to lay it by the attorney general or put it here on the forum ( but as you have read i didn't start this thread again but anyway

it's a big big shame to the former from this company the great Ron lashley senior.
THE MAN WHO WAS MAKING THIS GUITAR A BIG SUCCES.

cor[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 15 September 2004 at 08:52 AM.][This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 15 September 2004 at 08:59 AM.]

Brian Henry · Post by **Brian Henry** » 15 Sep 2004 3:45 pm

Cor,

Do you have some paperwork, invoice or receipt fropm them to support your claim??

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 15 Sep 2004 6:48 pm

A cancelled check or money order receipt proof of them taking the money us your only chance.

EJL

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 15 Sep 2004 9:18 pm

hi guy's

i only have a money order receipt. from what i send to them and a copy is laying by the attorney general
further i got nothing from the emmons company ( i ask for so long now to send a estimate or something like that but they never did) pretty tricky !!!!!
but as always i thought i could trust these people it's a brand name for al over the years so it couldn't be wrong.(but you see it could)

cor

J Hollenberg · Post by **J Hollenberg** » 15 Sep 2004 11:52 pm

First of all I feel sorry for Cor because he has paid a lot of money in advance and didn't get his guitar ( yet ).But I don't understand one thing and that is:
Why didn't he ordered his guitar from the dealer in The Netherlands who imports Emmons guitars for nearly over 30 years here.I and many others have ordered their guitars through him with no payment in advance .Pay on delivery.Why has he ordered directly from Emmons and take that risk in the first place when we've got a dealer in The Netherlands ?

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Post by **Joey Ace** » 16 Sep 2004 2:46 am

It's getting harder to buy one thru a dealer.
There was a post here by a Nashville dealer with a long history with them dropping the line.

This same dealer used to post here that you are better off buying from a dealer.

I can understand that people trust the name due to the many people who love and play these.

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 20 Sep 2004 11:53 am

^^ ^^