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Topic: '' Old Sho-Buds '' |
Gary Preston
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Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 5 Jul 2004 3:09 pm |
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| It seems to me from reading some of the posts ,that a lot of people are trying to find some of the ''old'' Sho-Buds . I see that they differ somewhat depending on the player . Is it because they are'nt being made anymore or is it that they are a great steel . I have a Pro-ll custom that i bought new and i would'nt take love or money for it . It's a 1977 model . Still looks almost like new . I was just wondering out loud . I hope this is the right place for this . But i'm sure that someone will let me know if it is'nt . Thanks , Gary . |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Jul 2004 3:22 pm
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Right place as far as I'm concerned.
I've got a wide pedal 8x4 ProIII Custom that I bought in 78, and have played way more than a couple thousand gigs with, and then some. Gone through a half dozen pickups and hundreds of sets of strings. Still returns true every time.
I look in the F/S section and I see one brand in particular that now typically sells for half retail used.
Sho~Buds seem to go for retail +30% or so.
I could still get full retail out of mine. BUsh whipped as it is.
Few factory produced guitars of today will be able to get 6 grand back out of them in 25 years.
Can't beat 'em from where I sit.
I've got a late 60s Professional hull I bought for 400$ in 84 in to D Marrs for a couple thousand dollar remanufacture, and I will still mostly gig with my ProIII.
God Willing, of course. |
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 6 Jul 2004 2:13 pm
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| Wow what a great line-up of Sho-Buds . All very nice . I think that you are right the Sho-Bud sounds great . Mine is still a knock-out . One of the best playing guitars that i have ever sat down to . Also has the best feel of any that i've played , Bar none ! I hope that i did'nt offend anyone with my openion . Thanks , Gary . |
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Dustin Rigsby
From:
Parts Unknown, Ohio
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Posted 6 Jul 2004 3:27 pm
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I have tried to tell Gary that his Bud would look great in my music room. Of course,he would have to donate it,cause he won't take love nor money for it. I was hoping he would have compassion for his poor student. No dice,though he is kind enough to let me play some clunkers on it just about every wednsday 
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D.S. Rigsby
Carter Starter and various six string toys |
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Leon Roberts
From:
Tallahassee,FL USA
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Posted 6 Jul 2004 6:10 pm
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[img]http://picturehost.net/lrfl/006.jpg[img]
My old Sho-Bud. |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2004 11:57 am
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| Leon , it's very nice . I wish that i was smart enough to post some pics of my Sho-Bud and my Williams . But i need to be educated . Maybe theres some teachers out there !!!. Thanks , Gary . |
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KENNY KRUPNICK
From:
Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 8 Jul 2004 9:50 pm
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| A red Sho~Bud ProIII with metal necks.A fine instrument. |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 10 Jul 2004 6:48 am
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| Yes Kenny it's very nice . G.P. |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2004 1:23 pm
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| Well this post has been here for a while and i cant believe that we dont have more folks responding than this . There has to be more Sho-Bud lovers than this ! Regards ,,,Gary . |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2004 2:07 pm
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What's the Question???ha....Well I think everyone knows where I stand?? Sho~bud is the greatest Steel guitar ever made..and I think I'm going to finally get that tatoo-ed on my Forearm...
Ricky |
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 12 Jul 2004 2:12 pm
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Sure Gary, there are... I personally would hesitate to call a ´77 Custom model an "old" Sho~Bud. Pre-´73, pre-nylon tuners, those are the "old" ones for me and from what I´ve heard and checked out myself, most of them have a tone far superior compared to the later ones. I have one of each and while the Pro-II Custom (late ´70s) certainly isn´t bad, it just doesn´t cut it compared to the ´69 Professional. The single raise/single lower changer is my favorite by far. I love those barrel tuners, when set up correctly the system is very stable and stays in tune very well. The only one that in my imagination is even better would be an early Pro-II with bellcranks and barrels, maybe Ricky will chime in on this.
I think by now I know what sound and feel and overall image I´m looking for in a steel guitar and for me it has to be an "old" Sho~Bud.
Damir, how could you ever part with that beautiful Professional?
Regards, JH[This message was edited by Joe Henry on 12 July 2004 at 03:20 PM.] |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2004 2:19 pm
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| Ricky , It seems that not only do you know the question but you also know the answer !!! I love my '' Bud '' also . Thanks for your reply . You would love to sit down and play my guitar ,i'm sure of it . If you ever make it up this way please let me know . Regards,,,Gary . |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2004 2:26 pm
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| Thanks Joe . I cant say when i remember hearing one of the older guitars that you are talking about but i'm sure that i have and did'nt know it . Thanks for your reply . Gary . |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2004 7:57 pm
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Gary; Joe Henry speaks Mounds and Volumes of Truth in my opinion. Actually I agree with EVERYTHING Joe Henry says and has said about what he knows and hears on Sho~Bud. I have played probably 15 different Pro II Customs alone, and I can see how you like yours Gary, no problem; as I've been actually playing Big Jim Murphy's Blue stained Pro II Custom for the last several months at every gig and his was probably the first one ever built and then re-built by Dick Miller and is one of the finest sounding/playing Pro-II Customs I've ever laid me hands on. BUT....as Joe mentioned; that is NOT the Old Shobud sound; as my '73 LDG just blows that one outta the water tone wise. Gary you have heard the single raise/single lower Big body Old Shobud sound, that Joe speaks of if you have ever heard> Lloyd Green; Pete Drake; Dan Dougmour; Dicky Overby; Jimmy Day and early Buddy Emmons(Night Life and Bright lights and Blonde haired Women)Recorded> just to name a few..ha....
The single raise/single lower finger was on the permenant; Fingertip; baldwin crossover and single-10 Professional; and "The Professional and first run of Pro~II's and LDG Model; then the nylon tuning system came out and more raises and lowers were eventually added to the fingers through the years with the later big body pro~IIs then Pro III and Customs and superpro and of course the LDG followed the mechanical changes along with. As soon as the rod started to be Affixed to the puller(Bell crank as ya'll call it) and distance was adjusted with Nylon tuner; that is still a mighty fine Sho~bud sound with double raise/single lower finger. Then later as the double and triple raise came around Later in the 70's; Sho~bud started to cast mold the fingers for production and not machining anymore and cutting down teh bodies and using inferior Maple; and that is when the Shobud mystique/sound vanished> IMHO. Joe is right again on how I like the pullers on crossbars and barrel tuners behind the puller on the rod; for the smoothest action of any Shobud I've played. Now the Rack pulling the barrel tuners is fine and can be set up to play super great and the best thing I've found to make that as smooth as possible is "Remove" a row of holes on each rack that are not being used(less metal pulled): example; "A" pedal ONLY raises strings....so remove the lower pulling set of holes(bar) and then you will have ONE Smooth playing rack and Barrel and of course the already Sound to die for. Oh Joe I forgot to tell you that, once you got set on what pulls you want for all your pedals and knees on that Professional...>remove the unused rack holes....>email me and I'll tell ya how if ya have done it/figured that out already..ha.
Anyway...as you can see; I can go on and on and then some, but I'll stop for now and give someone else their boasting turn..ha.
I love Sho~bud's and can talk Sho~bud shop for hours upon hours; but I'll rest now..aaaahhhhh.
Ricky
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Joerg Hennig
From:
Bavaria, Germany
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Posted 13 Jul 2004 10:06 am
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Everything Ricky wrote is great, but I´d like to add one name to his list of players - Buddy Charleton, with the Texas Troubadours, from 1962 until about ´66, when he still played Permanents and Fingertips. Everyone has his favorites, for Ricky it´s Lloyd, but Charleton in those days is THE Sho~Bud sound for me and what turned me on in the first place. His awesome mastery and touch were emphasized by the "voice" of the Sho~Bud. The first time I heard it, I thought: "So that´s what it´s supposed to sound like..."
Regards, JH |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2004 12:54 pm
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| Well it looks like that i've been educated a lot . It seems that you guys no more than i ever thought that could be told . I've seen some of the ''Buds '' that Ricky has re-done and they look great . I still would love to see and hear one of these monsters of sound up close . I wonder if anyone around here has one of these ? Are we talking mostly of the ''Professional '' models ? Thanks for your help . Regards,,,Gary . |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2004 1:33 pm
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OH Yes Buddy C. of course...Good call Joe.
Gary; yes, mostly the Professional and Pro II and LDG with no more than double raise/double lower changer.
Ricky |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2004 6:37 pm
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| Thanks Ricky . You are very helpful . I have a lot to learn about the mechanics of the older guitars it seems . Again thanks . By the way when you did the recording for Linda Ley which guitar were you using ? G.P. [This message was edited by Gary Preston on 15 July 2004 at 04:36 PM.] |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2004 8:22 pm
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On the Linda Lay and Bill Kirchen Cracker Barrel Projects; I used my Shobud Pro~II big body double raise/ single lower, that Dave Brazenski(sp?sorry Dave) now owns and it lives on through some extreamly talented hands> Go get'um Dave.
Ricky |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2004 3:39 pm
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| Thanks Ricky . I would have never thought that was a Sho-Bud on that recording . Somehow is was thinking of some other guitar . Thanks for the information . Regards,,,Gary . |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2004 12:25 pm
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| Another question . Did these older ''Buds '' have the round rods that the bellcranks were attached to ? I heard that was a problem for them . I know Ricky knows the answer to this one . Keep in mind i'm trying to get educated about the older buds . Mine has the hex rods . Thanks in advance for your help . Best regards,,,Gary . |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2004 4:07 pm
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Gary when the Pro II came out; then yes, Sho~bud went with a round cross bar with a flat spot that the set screw of the pullers tightened onto. You got the wrong info if someone told you they were a problem...as they are Perfectly functional. Can you elaborate more on what someone said is the problem with them??? I've worked on over 50 Shobuds with this crossbar and zero problems with the crossbar. Problems I see; is someone trying to link WRONG knee lever brackets to the original round crossbar linkage and that's a NO NO. The square crossbars came when they started to be made from Aluminum stock and multiple hole pullers and straight adjustable knee levers and the brackets that held them and linkage for those parts were different.
To me this is the best/smothest pulling system Shobud ever made> ZERO flex ZERO friction.
Ricky
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Jimmie Brown
From:
Fayetteville, NC, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2004 5:03 pm
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Friends, if Ricky tells you a rooster can pull a freight train.....hitch him up and move over because he knows his stuff when i comes to guitars
Jimmie |
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Gary Preston
From:
Columbus, Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2004 5:30 pm
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| Ricky ,it seems to me that i was told that the levers would slip . But if there was a flat area for the lever to be mounted onto it seems to me that there would'nt be any slippage at all . I knew that you would be the one that would have the right answer . Thanks for your time and sound information . Best regards,,,Gary . |
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