Making the action stiffer on Mullen Royal Precision?

Jeff Metz Jr. · Post by **Jeff Metz Jr.** » 5 Apr 2015 3:30 pm

I know this is an odd request but I am looking for information on Stiffening up the pedals on my Mullen RP. I have already raised them quite a bit to get that sort of Emmons PP feel but they are just so easy to press that I cannot get fast pedal licks accurate enough. Does anybody have the solotion? Thank you.

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 5 Apr 2015 3:59 pm

I don't know if Mullen uses return springs on the pedal bell cranks or not, but if they do you can go to a heavier spring, or maybe shorten the existing spring if it has one. Martin

Darrell Birtcher · Post by **Darrell Birtcher** » 5 Apr 2015 5:08 pm

Sounds like you need to change the leverages. You can do this by altering which bell crank and changer holes the rods are in.

You may want to start by contacting Mullen directly and asking their advice for a shorter, stiffer, pedal throw, while still retaining the proper timing. By timing, I mean the start and stop points of the raises when pulling more than one string.

If you want to open the can of worms yourself, here's the basics: On the bellcranks and changer, the further the pull rod is from the axle, the shorter and stiffer the pull is going to be. You'll also need to change the pedal stop points, and you may even end up trying different string gauges to achieve your goals.

There's been a lot of threads written on this stuff. You'll want to make a rodding chart to document your existing setup before starting, to use as a baseline.
It can be frustrating but rewarding to come up with a setup to your liking. Keeping good notes as you go can save you time, especially if it drags on over several sessions, which it will. Fortunately, Mullen RP's and PRP's are great to work on.

Be patient, and good luck!

Daniel Policarpo · Post by **Daniel Policarpo** » 6 Apr 2015 3:41 am

Hi Jeff, what gauge strings are you using on the looser pedals?

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 6 Apr 2015 9:08 am

the easiest way i can think of would be to just get a big fat strip of foam rubber and place it underneath the pedals. this way no damage will be done to the steel by trying to make it perform worse.

Mike Wheeler · Post by **Mike Wheeler** » 6 Apr 2015 9:44 am

Perform worse????? So, if you can't play it in your bare feet it's not performing properly!! That's some misguided thinking there!

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 6 Apr 2015 9:49 am

Mike, most of the advances in steel mechanics have been trying to make them easier to play, and that's widely regarded as better. Ergo, it must be a retrograde step to stiffen them up.
Next thing you know, he'll be wanting to play with the timing so it's notchy like a push-pull.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 6 Apr 2015 9:51 am

Mike Wheeler wrote:Perform worse????? So, if you can't play it in your bare feet it's not performing properly!! That's some misguided thinking there!

Let's see. Where does the playing in bare feet come in here? I've gone back and re-read the replies several times now and can't find the words "bare feet" in any post. Jeff is trying to make the pedals stiffer, which would make it harder to play in bare feet. While I don't necessarily agree with Chris' post, you should have some facts before you question or attack someone's answer.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 6 Apr 2015 10:10 am

thanks fellas. obviously my foam rubber cushion was a little tongue in cheek. i should have said 'set up in a sandbox' that will slow the action down.

when i got my zum long ago i did lengthen the pull timing slightly to allow a little more room for 'feel', but the action was still light and just required a little more of a delicate touch than my old sho~bud had required.

ps...playing in the sandbox would feel good on your bare footsies!

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 6 Apr 2015 10:19 am

I would say what I have often said, "play the guitar, don't let the guitar play you". As a relative "newbie" (from your posts on the forum) "good" pedal technique which does not require "stomping" on the pedals is part of the learning process.

I went from a D-10 PP Emmons to my current D-10 Franklin, which has much easier pedal feel. I didn't have any problems with speed or pedaling.

Consider Paul Franklin, who plays an "easy to pedal" Franklin. He doesn't have any problems with fast licks. Tommy White is currently playing a Mullen and its obvious from hearing him that he does not have any problem playing fast licks.

my 2 cents.

Lee Dassow · Post by **Lee Dassow** » 6 Apr 2015 10:55 am

Chris is hilarious. T.L.

Daniel Policarpo · Post by **Daniel Policarpo** » 6 Apr 2015 10:57 am

Not too long ago my pedals were feeling a little bit looser than what I was used to. I double checked the manufacturer's suggested string gauges for my copedant, and on one of the G#'s and one of the B's the string gauges I was using were undervalued. I put on the right gauges and the action was much firmer, not loose at all. Loose pedals don't allow for good expression.

Mike Wheeler · Post by **Mike Wheeler** » 6 Apr 2015 11:12 am

Well, that's what I get for trying to be too brief. lol! I was referring to Chris' comment alluding to heavier pedal action being a degradation of performance. I don't believe that's true. It's simply a personal choice. I, and some others, enjoy a firm pedal action. I play in shoes, or western boots, and the firmer action allows me to feel the pedals.

Lane Gray wrote:Mike, most of the advances in steel mechanics have been trying to make them easier to play, and that's widely regarded as better. Ergo, it must be a retrograde step to stiffen them up.

Yes, Lane, I understood what he meant, and am very aware of the newer guitars' mechanisms. I simply disagree with that line of thinking....that easier is better...no matter if it's a popular concept, or not.

Richard Sinkler wrote:Let's see. Where does the playing in bare feet come in here? I've gone back and re-read the replies several times now and can't find the words "bare feet" in any post. Jeff is trying to make the pedals stiffer, which would make it harder to play in bare feet. While I don't necessarily agree with Chris' post, you should have some facts before you question or attack someone's answer.

OK, Richard. Please read my response above. My post was regarding Chris' post, not Jeff's. Also, what "facts" are you referring to? And "attacking"??? I was not "attacking" anyone. But I guess nowadays disagreeing is considered "attacking". I disagree with that, too.

Norbert Dengler · Post by **Norbert Dengler** » 6 Apr 2015 11:25 am

why not just buy a push pull?
sounds likely better than a mullen and is as stiff as it gets

kyle reid · Post by **kyle reid** » 6 Apr 2015 1:59 pm

Sounds better than a Mullen? I never heard one that did.

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 6 Apr 2015 6:46 pm

uh oh ... here we go, be right back, time to get some pop corn

Jeff Metz Jr. · Post by **Jeff Metz Jr.** » 6 Apr 2015 10:26 pm

Sorry for such a can of worms! I just switched from factory strings to Live steel strings a ways back and That's when I noticed the different feel in the pedals. Its Not so much an unfamiliar feel, but rather it seems the pedals don't stick to my feet as much as they did with the last strings. I believe mullen guitars come with GHS strings but I am not sure. Does someone know? But anyway the recommended gauges in the Mullen owners manual are different than what Live steel standard Nickel sets include. So I figure that different gauges are the issue. I will try a custom set next time! Thanks for all your replies!
-Jeff

Mike Mantey · Post by **Mike Mantey** » 7 Apr 2015 6:29 am

Yes Jeff, we use GHS strings. Another thing you can do is remove the helper springs on strings 3,4,5,6,10. These are the smaller springs that are close to the guitar body. Those help the raises pull easier. It should make them a little stiffer. The next best approach if it is still a problem would be to actually add some resistance springs to the guitar. Not common, but I'm sure it can be done.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 7 Apr 2015 7:08 am

those live steel strings must be a little too lively for your hypersensitive touch!

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 7 Apr 2015 7:31 am

I tried a set of Live Steel strings and some are larger gauge than the "Nashville" gauges. I had to retune all the raises and lowers because of the different gauges but I didn't notice any difference in pedal action.

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 7 Apr 2015 7:59 am

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 7 Apr 2015 8:01 am

maybe there's some other problem.

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 7 Apr 2015 8:10 am

Finding the right pedal feel for your playing style . Made easier with sliding conector ball.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 7 Apr 2015 8:59 am

Lee Dassow · Post by **Lee Dassow** » 7 Apr 2015 9:31 am

Chris, let me know where you get those red spring shoes. I can use them to power wash the gable ends on my house. T.L.

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