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Topic: What is more common on C6 RKL & RKR? |
Jim Hinds
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Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 30 Mar 2015 11:06 pm |
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I am just starting out on C6 and have 2 guitars.
One has C6 RKL lowering string 3 a 1/2 step and RKR raising string 4 a 1/2 step. The other guitar is the opposite. I want to change one so they are both the same. What would be the best way to go, and if there is a reason for it I would love to know.
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 3:14 am
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The original location for the one knee of C6 was most often RKR (dropping 3). That's where it's been on every C6 neck I've had since.
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Jim Hinds
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Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 9:12 am
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Thanks Lane.
Anyone else? |
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 9:23 am
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| That C-B is pretty much the standard change on RKL. The A-Bb is really useful, but Buddy Emmons championed the concept of C-C# on RKR, in part to replace the inversion he lost by making the first string a D, not a G. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 10:31 am
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| Ken Pippus wrote: |
| That C-B is pretty much the standard change on RKL. The A-Bb is really useful, but Buddy Emmons championed the concept of C-C# on RKR, in part to replace the inversion he lost by making the first string a D, not a G. |
I'd recommend A-Bb for the 2nd lever, and reserve C-Db for the 3rd, based on my playing style. Your mileage may, of course, vary.
I use A-Bb for 1) a dominant 7 in open position, 2) an augmented with p.5, 3) a dominant 11th with p.6, 4) a b9 dominant with p.8, and 5) a melodic descending or ascending note.
C-C# is generally used by me 1) to make the aforementioned 3rd inversion of the major chord, 2) a dominant 7 with p.8, 3) a major 6th with p.5, and 4) as an augmented with p.6.
The 3rd inversion chord can be found on s.3-5 using p.7, and the major 6th on s.3-6 as well.
Your choice will be based on your playing style and the licks you like. Since I have 5 levers on C6, I also lower s.4 A-Ab with LKR, and G-F with LKV. I'm considering moving LKV to raise s.1 D-Eb for a #11 with p.8.
Pedal steel is basically an instrument of trade-offs, and this is one instance of that.
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 10:47 am
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Thanks Ken and Herb
Herb, So for a guy just starting out on C6 with no style yet : ) and only 2 knee levers for my C6 neck, RKL and RKR, how would you set them up?
I have 2 guitars now. One guitar has RKL lowering string 3 from C to B and RKR raising string 4 from A to Bb. The other guitar is just the opposite.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 11:23 am
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I'd choose one of the two and leave it like that.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 11:39 am
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I have the RKL for the C to B lower.
When I got my 71 Emmons PP (new), it came with the RKL set for the C to B lower. When I got my Franklin I had it set up the same way. |
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 1:28 pm
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Thanks Lane and Jack.
It's looking like RKL to lower string 3 is the way to go.
If anyone else has any thoughts on this please post. I will be changing one of the guitars this week. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2015 2:01 pm
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I have the C to B lower on RKL. It feels very natural to me because I also lower the E's on the E9th neck with that lever.
I raise the 4th string A to Bb on RKR. Again, it matches my thinking on the E9th, where I lower the 2nd string to D on RKR. I get a 7th chord on both necks with that lever.
The 4th string raise is very important to me. I would put it on LKL2 to match the movement of the F lever of E9th, but my D-10 doesn't have LKL2 (yet!).  The 4th string C to C# gives you an A6th when combined with P5 - very useful! I use that change constantly on my little 8-string*, which is my main gigging axe.
*My Desert Rose S-8 is tuned to D6th, and LKL raises D to D#. Same thing as C6th, a step higher.
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2015 7:46 am
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| b0b wrote: |
I have the C to B lower on RKL. It feels very natural to me because I also lower the E's on the E9th neck with that lever.
I raise the 4th string A to Bb on RKR. Again, it matches my thinking on the E9th, where I lower the 2nd string to D on RKR. I get a 7th chord on both necks with that lever.
The 4th string raise is very important to me. I would put it on LKL2 to match the movement of the F lever of E9th, but my D-10 doesn't have LKL2 (yet!). The 4th string C to C# gives you an A6th when combined with P5 - very useful! I use that change constantly on my little 8-string*, which is my main gigging axe.
*My Desert Rose S-8 is tuned to D6th, and LKL raises D to D#. Same thing as C6th, a step higher. |
Hi bOb,
That makes sense. So my RKR gives me a 7th on my E9 neck and my C6 neck.
Thanks,
Jim |
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