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Topic: OLD or NEW for TONE |
James Taylor
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 1:24 pm |
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| I wonder what thoughts members have on the tone of new verses old pedal steel guitars and of course the mechanics of today has probably improved the instrument too . Thanking everyone for their thoughts on this matter. YOURS AYE JAMES TAYLOR |
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Bill Moran
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 2:07 pm
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My opinion on tone, The PP has them all beat. The reason everyone doesn't play a PP is because you have to work on them 6 days to play them one .
New guitar mechanics are by far the best.
If you have nothing better to do than work on a guitar buy a PP. If you want to play buy something newer !
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Daniel Policarpo
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 2:31 pm
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| Only comparing the limited # of S-10's I've played: one was a Pro 1 and the other was an LDG, and they sounded warm and chewy, and those nice airy highs, but I got a little old Stage One, and I can pull out some really vintage sounds out of that and a Fender amp. The Sho-Buds have the edge for my ideal sound, but I have such a good feel with the Zumsteg design/Ernest build. I've been spoiled right out of the gate, I'm afraid. The more experience I get on these, I am convinced a really good player can just about will their desired sound out of any steel that is tuned and functional. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 2:40 pm
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| What's wrong with a "different tone" or non tradidional tone??? |
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Dale Hampton
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 4:13 pm
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The reason everyone doesn't play a PP is because you have to work on them 6 days to play them one .
I suspect that you are kidding. so no disrespect, but I don't find that to be the case. Dale |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 7:12 pm
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| Bill Moran wrote: |
| The reason everyone doesn't play a PP is because you have to work on them 6 days to play them one . |
not at all true if you know anything about how they work.
buddy emmons stated that, for him, difference in tone between his push pull and legrande was more than made up for in the modern system with split tuning. |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 10:04 pm
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| I have managed to put a split tuning on my push-pull (on the 6th string full-tone lower) to get an accurate half-tone lower, but at the expense of having to keep my 'A' pedal pressed, so it's not ideal. |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 10:29 pm
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| I have found other ways to get the same licks on my P/P Emmons that I used to get with splits. I also get way more compliments on my tone with the P/P. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 14 Jan 2015 10:59 pm
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| Daniel Policarpo wrote: |
| The more experience I get on these, I am convinced a really good player can just about will their desired sound out of any steel that is tuned and functional. |
i agree with daniel.
pretty much any steel played well and in tune will sound good.
and these days you hear great sound out of top pros playing mullen, zum, show pro, jackson, gfi, franklin, infinity, rittenberry and more.
tone isn't limited to pp's anymore.
it's limited to good players. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 8:34 am
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| richard burton wrote: |
| I have managed to put a split tuning on my push-pull (on the 6th string full-tone lower) to get an accurate half-tone lower, but at the expense of having to keep my 'A' pedal pressed, so it's not ideal. |
How?
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Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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John Roche
From:
England
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 8:55 am
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| Stage one has one of the best sounds you can get.maybe because it's pull release.. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 9:18 am
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Mike, Richard posted pics of it. It's not technically a split, since obviously the B pedal pulls it to A, but on the A pedal, he put a 6th string bellcrank and half-tone tuner on the raise rod. With the A pedal pressed, the raise rod only has enough slack to go to a tunable G.
Richard Burton is a clever SOB.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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John Roche
From:
England
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 9:21 am
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| Yes Richard is a genius |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 10:22 am
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
Richard Burton is a clever SOB. |
Boy, ain't that the truth. Who else got to marry Elizabeth Taylor -- twice? |
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 10:39 am
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I only hear the difference between 'New steel' and 'Old steel's' in the recordings...Old recordings sound thinner than todays hi-fi recordings...
Wood is wood...I am an 'all pull' fan for the mechanical side of things, it don't alter the tone! 
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 12:55 pm
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I'm with you guys....Richard Burton is "TOPS" he's done a few jobs for me...real genious guy!!
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K. |
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Micky Byrne
From:
United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 12:58 pm
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Yessssss Chappy...All Pull all the way
Micky "scars" Byrne U.K. |
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Tom Sosbe
From:
Rushville,In
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 1:07 pm
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| everybody talks about tone. somebody tell me what it is. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 1:31 pm
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Tone is a late Fifties Shobud Permanent with the Stratospheric pickups.
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Jim Pitman
From:
Waterbury Ctr. VT 05677 USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 1:37 pm
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| I've owned quite a few PSG brands over the years. Some have been acoustically loud and seem to sustain better than others and that's what I prefer. When you plug them in they sound good. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 1:41 pm
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| John Billings wrote: |
Tone is a late Fifties Shobud Permanent with the Stratospheric pickups.
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That is one gorgeous instrument.
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Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 1:52 pm
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I tend to think steel guitars are sorta like violins. "The older the violin (steel guitar), the sweeter the music"
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2015 2:04 pm
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Mike,
I got that guitar from Coop. It now belongs to my buddy James Morehead. It's a stunner!
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