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Topic: Emmons push pull |
Kenyon Maynard
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2014 8:58 am |
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| I am in need of some information. I have a 74 Emmons original guitar that I am adding the Franklin drop too. I need to know what is the best method of taking some of the slack out as I have read in the form. Also what is extending a bell crank? I do have a mechanical mind for the mechanism and I am just looking for some input from fellow Emmons owners on this issue thanks. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2014 10:00 am
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On any string that has both raise and lower, you need slack in the raise rod otherwise the lower won't work.
If you want to raise the 1st string to G#, you either need to extend the bell crank or hook up the hair pin to the bottom hole (when the guitar is tipped upside down) to get enough throw on the finger. |
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 8 Sep 2014 2:14 pm
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The quickest way to screw up a push-pull is to start trying to take slack out of pedals and levers.
If you are going to be adding the whole tone lowers of the Franklin pedal, you need to ADD slack to get the lowers to go all the way down to pitch.
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 8 Sep 2014 3:03 pm
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What Paul said. If you already lower 5 on a knee to A#, you'll need even MORE slack to allow a drop to A. You'll probably need half-tone tuners to get your A# levers. If you don't have that, never mind
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mike nolan
From:
Forest Hills, NY USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2014 10:11 pm
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| It is best to split that change if you lower 6 to F# on a lever already.... just put the 5&10 lowers on the pedal. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2014 5:46 am
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The "slack" that is being referred to is the amount of travel that is required to lower a string that is also being raised. In order to setup the guitar so it will play- one of the requirements for a push-pull is to set all the lowers up 1st and have them engaged when you set the raise collar. That will allow for the necessary "slack" needed to let the guitar lower properly.
Last edited by Jim Palenscar on 10 Sep 2014 9:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 9 Sep 2014 6:56 pm
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Jim P is on the money as usual. And it's been maybe 10 years since I've set up the franklin 4th pedal change on a PP. The 6th string is no problem of course. But I'm thinking you'll need to connect lower in the changer and still maybe add a tad of travel to the pedals the raises the B's to C#. And the C pedal that raises 4 and 5. If you just add travel the pedals gets too long for my liking. And connecting lower in the changer makes the pedals stiffer.
I think I just talked myself out of it. Kidding aside, this change will work on a PP. But there is a small price to pay.
Just my opinion and worth what it cost you.
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 9 Sep 2014 7:26 pm
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I put the Franklin pedal on my Push-Pull. It only lasted a few months. I did not like how much slack I had to add to make the change work. IMO the floor pedals (A, B & C) work much better when that change is not on the guitar.
Some people apparently can't live without those changes, but I can.
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 10 Sep 2014 6:22 pm
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The Franklin pedal is a great addition...IF you are going to use it...If you just want it because everyone else has one....Leave it off the PP guitar...JM2C..(Just me 2 cents)
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 11 Sep 2014 6:52 pm
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I'm with Mickey on the Franklin pedal, great addition but to me, not worth the trouble on a P/P to install. I've got it on one of my guitars which is an all pull but very seldom ever use it. Raising 6 a whole tone is a lot more useful. Have that on my P/P and was easy to install being a raise. JMO
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Doug Palmer
From:
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 12 Sep 2014 9:17 am Franklin
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I put a similar change on my Push Pull Emmons, lowering string 10 to A, String 9 D to C# and string 6 raise to A like I have on my LeGrande. I love the change, but took it off. I tried all of the Mechanical possibilities, even an accelerator on pedal 10 raise like we used on string 1 F# to G# raise, but was never comfortable with it. It either had too much travel or was too stiff. I guess you could get used to it, but when I switched from my LeGrande back to the P/P it wouldn't work for me. I'm pretty sure you can still get the same notes without the Franklin pedal unless you are playing open or at the first fret.
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