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Tommy Boswell
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Virginia, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2014 5:56 pm |
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| Does anyone use delay and reverb together? And if you do, what's the order in the signal chain? Delay first, then reverb? |
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2014 6:32 pm
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I always go into the reverb first, delay second, and chorus etc last. If I use distortion, I put it between the guitar and volume pedal, then everything else after the volume pedal.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Pat Moore
From:
Virginia USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2014 8:14 pm Effect Placement
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Hi Tommy,
For what it's worth. I have a Neunaber Wet Reverb pedal. This quote is from their pamphlet that comes with it.
"Reverb should always be placed at the end of the signal chain, after any distortion or overdrive."
I always try different ways with anything I get, but this is from the experts.
I hope that helps.
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Nathan Guilford
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Oklahoma City
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Posted 2 Sep 2014 8:14 pm
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I prefer my delay before reverb
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Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2014 10:27 pm
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Tommy, my personal preference is a Strymon Big Sky reverb that I run pre delay. Delay has always been last in my chain forever. Guitar and Steel.
For me; consistency in signal strength in which you drive an effect unit makes it perform with consistency.
If an effect unit (in a chain that is post delay) has to deal with the inconsistency of delay tails (repeats) it makes these post units perform inconsistently.
p.s. Mike Johnson turned me on to the Strymon effects. he told me that many of the younger session players in town are using Strymon.
Personally I have never been a big reverb guy but I must say; Strymon reverb is the most incredible sounding unit I have heard in many years.
Cons: It is expensive as snot! |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 8:10 am
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I use delay and reverb in my Line6 Pod XT. The signal flow of the unit defaults to having reverb last in the chain. That makes sense to me, as "real" reverb is usually added last (in the amp).
I keep the delay level low in my patches and turn it up to about 30% with a twist of a knob when I want to hear it. I also program it for "tap tempo" and tap the rate before I turn it up. My default delay rate is 300 ms if I don't tap.
Delay is after distortion and other "stomp box" effects in the Pod XT's signal chain. I think you can change the order, but I've never felt the need to.
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Dennis Detweiler
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Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 10:32 am
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When you think of natural sound travel, especially in a large room, the last thing you hear is sound travel delay or reverb from the walls. So, logically, it should be the last two sounds in the electronic simulated effects chain?
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 12:10 pm
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I only use delay and Reverb on a slow song and reverb only on chord pads and faster songs. If the amp has a good reverb I will just use a delay pedal.
Usually I use a delay pedal then reverb on other setups but hey, I'll switch them and see what happens. |
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 3:31 pm
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I definitely don't put delay after reverb, always delay before reverb. I don't want the reverb decay to be repeated or multiplied. Reverb is a very complex sound that emulates a natural reverberant/acoustic space, and it seems that it should go last.
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 4:34 pm
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| If you look at the old Boss RV-3 for those still using them, they list 4-7 delay+ reverb. |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 4:44 pm
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As I recall, when Lloyd Green came to the ISGC years back, he had an RV-3 on the #7 setting, a bit of delay and reverb. Hughey liked a Lexicon setting with both a warm delay and a plate style reverb. Buddy Emmons liked an effects combination as well. I think he once said that he liked to set the delay repeats so that the 3rd echo was just barely audible. I think Paul Franklin with his Benado Steel Dream pedal likes a combination of a warm, analog-type delay with reverb.
Seems to me a subtle delay and a nice reverb is the standard for many players.
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Dennis Detweiler
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Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 5:02 pm
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I found subtle delay and good reverb following it to be the best combination. However, If the reverb has a good pre-delay, the same nice setting can be achieved without delay. Or, add the subtle delay to the pre-delay capabilities of a good reverb for slow tunes.
With the TC Electronic 350, I built a setting that utilizes a mild studio quality compression with pre-delay reverb to gain a little punch to fast tunes and blend to slower songs. Just depends on the acoustics of the room. A milder setting for studio use to allow the engineer to mix a little more.
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 5:40 pm
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Does anyone know how the RV3 is set up, is the delay or reverb first in the chain?
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Dan Klotz
From:
Houston, Texas
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 6:44 pm
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| b0b wrote: |
I use delay and reverb in my Line6 Pod XT. The signal flow of the unit defaults to having reverb last in the chain. That makes sense to me, as "real" reverb is usually added last (in the amp).
I keep the delay level low in my patches and turn it up to about 30% with a twist of a knob when I want to hear it. I also program it for "tap tempo" and tap the rate before I turn it up. My default delay rate is 300 ms if I don't tap.
Delay is after distortion and other "stomp box" effects in the Pod XT's signal chain. I think you can change the order, but I've never felt the need to. |
bob- Are you running the Pod into an amp? |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 7:41 pm
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| Darvin Willhoite wrote: |
| Does anyone know how the RV3 is set up, is the delay or reverb first in the chain? |
Darvin,
I'll check on that tomorrow in the studio. I think they may be parallel (side by side), but maybe the delays are also cross-fed into the reverb. But definitely not delay AFTER the reverb.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2014 8:37 pm
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| Dan Klotz wrote: |
| bob- Are you running the Pod into an amp? |
Yes, except when I use it for recording. I have developed presets for each of my different amplifier setups.
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Sid Hudson
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2014 12:39 am
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I apologize Tommy. Everyone else appears to be correct.
There were so many saying the opposite of what I told you I decided to go check.
Yep the reverb is last in my chain as well.
Dang⦠my theory sounded good. It just happened to be dead wrong. |
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Tommy Boswell
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2014 2:08 am
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| I appreciate everyone's comments. I'm getting good results now with reverb at the end, and a touch of delay just before the reverb. |
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2014 7:12 am
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Well, I mis-spoke too as gets more common the older I get. Here is a picture of my steel pedalboard, and I have the RV3 last in the chain. I have distortion, phase shifter, and chorus ahead of it. I have a volume pedal loop on this board so I can go direct from the steel to the distortion then to the volume pedal. I've changed a couple of pedals since I took these pictures, I now use a Proco Rat for distortion, and a Electro Harmonix Nano Small Stone for phase shift.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2014 7:48 am
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| Darvin Willhoite wrote: |
| Does anyone know how the RV3 is set up, is the delay or reverb first in the chain? |
RV-3: Definitely reverb AFTER delay. Each echo sets off a new reverb tail. As it should be.
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2014 8:34 am
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That's good to know, thanks Brad.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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