classical on pedal instruments

Jan Oelbrandt · Post by **Jan Oelbrandt** » 23 Aug 2014 1:18 am

Here's a Bach piece on E9 pedal steel and pedal harp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHQj1RMcvVg

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 23 Aug 2014 1:55 am

Jan, this is very good! Thanks.

Eddie Cunningham · Post by **Eddie Cunningham** » 23 Aug 2014 5:46 pm

Very nice !! That girl knows her way around on her pedals also !! How many pedals on that Harp she plays ??? Eddie "C"

Jan Oelbrandt · Post by **Jan Oelbrandt** » 23 Aug 2014 11:45 pm

Thanks guys. Glad you appreciate.

How many pedals on that Harp she plays

A pedal harp has 7 pedals - one for each note. In this piece, she handles 5 of them

Bosse Engzell · Post by **Bosse Engzell** » 24 Aug 2014 1:17 am

SWEEEET!!! Like that old tune.

Bosse in Sweden

Neil McCollum · Post by **Neil McCollum** » 24 Aug 2014 4:46 am

Great! Do more classical work.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 24 Aug 2014 5:07 am

Forum member Mike Perlowin did a classical CD on Pedal Steel Guitar about 10 years ago, "Fireberd Suite". It was picked up and distributed by a classical music label.

Jan Oelbrandt · Post by **Jan Oelbrandt** » 24 Aug 2014 11:51 pm

Jack Stoner wrote:Forum member Mike Perlowin did a classical CD on Pedal Steel Guitar about 10 years ago, "Fireberd Suite". It was picked up and distributed by a classical music label.

Yes I know his work. Especially loved his "West Side Story".

Neil wrote:Do more classical work.

I don't think so. Not compatible with my rebel nature.

L. A. Wunder · Post by **L. A. Wunder** » 26 Aug 2014 7:06 am

I've played the Gunod before, but only alone in my practice room.

Tim Sheinman · Post by **Tim Sheinman** » 26 Aug 2014 11:16 am

Bit of Debussy for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQFDS2E6e3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKo0mW8e96M

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 26 Aug 2014 10:31 pm

Nice work Jan.

I like to think I had some influence here. I of course, was influenced by Buddy Emmon's "Canon in D major" on the white album, and Marshal Hall's "Classical Steel Guitar" LP from the 70s.

The pedal steel guitar is not a country instrument. It's an instrument, period. It can do any style of music, and its only limitations are those of its players.

BTW, my 3rd and final CD, "Spanish Steel" CD is the best of the three.

MP3 files from all 3 can be heard on my web site and sound cloud page,
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Jan Oelbrandt · Post by **Jan Oelbrandt** » 27 Aug 2014 7:00 am

Tim,
thanks for the links. Hadn't heard/viewed those before.

Mike Perlowin wrote:I of course, was influenced by Buddy Emmon's "Canon in D major" on the white album

I'm planning on doing a loop/overdub thing with a similar piece like that, but with a bunch of players involved. I'll keep you posted as you're likely to be interested.[/quote]

It can do any style of music, and its only limitations are those of its players.

I have to disagree. The PSG has lots of inherent limitations (despite its unique features). But we're getting off-topic here. I just wanted to share this family recording, I'm not trying to make a point.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 26 Oct 2014 2:07 pm

What do you see as the "inherent limitations" of the pedal steel, Jan?

By the way, I really enjoyed your video.

Jan Oelbrandt · Post by **Jan Oelbrandt** » 27 Oct 2014 2:08 am

b0b wrote:What do you see as the "inherent limitations" of the pedal steel, Jan?

I meant: the harmonies that are possible. For example: on E9, the knee lever that works on the E-strings raise. It's not possible to let both E-strings ring, and then raise only one of them. Sure this example is not something you'd want to play every day, but it is a limitation.
glad you liked the video

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 27 Oct 2014 4:59 am

Actually, thanks to tuned splits on 4 and 8, I can raise 4 to F while lowering 8 to Eb.

I do this on a couple of the tunes I play.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 27 Oct 2014 8:09 am

I see. You're talking about limitations of the copedent, not of the instrument in general. A more complex copedent (like Mike's) has fewer limitations.

Never overlook the power of bar slants.

Jeff Scott Brown · Post by **Jeff Scott Brown** » 27 Oct 2014 8:38 am

Jan Oelbrandt wrote:
b0b wrote:What do you see as the "inherent limitations" of the pedal steel, Jan?
I meant: the harmonies that are possible. For example: on E9, the knee lever that works on the E-strings raise. It's not possible to let both E-strings ring, and then raise only one of them.

I have an E9 and if I wanted to setup my guitar to raise only 1 of the Es, I could do that I think. Is there some reason that you think that can't be done?

Jeff Scott Brown · Post by **Jeff Scott Brown** » 27 Oct 2014 8:42 am

Also, the original claim that Jan disagreed with is the following:

It can do any style of music

It seems unreasonable that there are entire styles of music that have to be eliminated just because of something like the described problem of limitations of the ways most people setup their copedent. There might be specific licks, maybe certain peculiar chords, etc., but surely any style of music could still be accomplished, I think anyway.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 27 Oct 2014 8:54 am

Edward Grieg's "Morning" from Peer Gynt. (I don't know if it still falls in the "Classical" category).
Ernie Hagar plays it at 7:42 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEYh6j_0-1w

Micky Byrne · Post by **Micky Byrne** » 31 Oct 2014 2:42 am

Well done Jan...proves there are "NO" boundaries to a Pedal steel

....Hmmmmmm I'm thinking of the size of her harp case for gigging

Micky "scars" Byrne U.K.

Bob Hoffnar · Post by **Bob Hoffnar** » 31 Oct 2014 4:52 am

b0b wrote:I see. You're talking about limitations of the copedent, not of the instrument in general. A more complex copedent (like Mike's) has fewer limitations.

Never overlook the power of bar slants.

Also never overlook the power of playing in different positions on the neck.

For instance if you use your 9th string as the root of a major chord the basic pedals take on a totally different function.

To raise one E note you can drop down a half step and use the 2nd string and 8th string with the E's lowered. Let off the lever and you have raised one E.

My personal ability to play the the basic E9 set up is limited. The tuning is not.

Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 31 Oct 2014 10:52 am

Very nice Jan!!!

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