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Topic: Where to put the Franklin pedal? |
John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 4:00 pm |
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I'm restoring and updating a '73 Shobud S-10. Going to convert it to 4 and 5, using James Morehead's wonderful parts! But I have a question. I don't use a Franklin pedal, but this guitar will have one. Where is the best place to put it? On the left, as a "zero" pedal? Or on the right as the 4th pedal. This guitar will be for sale, so I'd like to determine the most common spot for that pedal. Any comments appreciated!
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mtulbert
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Plano, Texas 75023
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 5:02 pm
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You are going to find good reasons for either position. I use it with the A pedal quite a bit and like the fact that it is right next to it.
Mike Johnson has it on pedal 4 and can pull off the same lick with as much ease as anyone so I guess it depends on what you are used to.
Either way a Franklin Pedal will help you sell your guitar.
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Dale Rivard
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 5:23 pm
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| Hi John, In my opinion, placement of the Franklin pedal depends on where the knee levers are located. I use an Emmons' setup on my knee levers.(raise and lower E's on my left knee) I use the Franklin pedal in conjunction with lowering the E's on a regular basis. If I had it in the 0 pedal position, using it with the knee lever would be very difficult. I have it in position 4. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 6:05 pm
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I have mine on P5, next to C. P0 pulls 1&2.
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 6:18 pm
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seems to me that its an even split between 0 and 4 position. That's why, on the BenRom, I bore out pedal mount holes, shaft holes etc in the 0 position as well. I deliver the guitar with the pedal in the 4 position and the owner can easily change it over if he prefers.
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 6:34 pm
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If your using 4 pedals,
I always suggest the Franklin go as the 1st pedal if your playing the Emmons set up.
And the Franklin as the 4th pedal if your playing the Day set up. That way you can keep your heel in the middle of the pedals over A & B, or B & A, at all times.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 6:47 pm
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Thanks guys! I'm trying to figure out what's most popular, so I have the broadest consumer base for this lovely guitar. Here's a pic of it in the rough, as I received it. It's a beautiful dark Blue-Green.
It will have all Morehead parts underneath. White fingerboard. |
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Dan Robinson
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 8:25 pm
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Can't wait to see your progress on that one, John.
The inlay on the dark wood makes a beautiful contrast. With parts machined by James Morehead it's going to be very exciting! |
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James Jacoby
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2014 11:20 pm
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| Fred Justice wrote: |
If your using 4 pedals,
I always suggest the Franklin go as the 1st pedal if your playing the Emmons set up.
And the Franklin as the 4th pedal if your playing the Day set up. That way you can keep your heel in the middle of the pedals over A & B, or B & A, at all times. |
I agree with Fred, John. One small change, though. Rick Troyer talked me into converting my A pedal (I run Emmons set-up), to the Franklin, and moving all the other pedal functions one space to the right. This allows me to mash the Franklin, and engage the D-lever LKR(for lowering the Es),at the same time. Also I sometimes use my C and 4 pedal together, and if I had the Franklin between the C, and 4, it would be too difficult for me to do that. IMO using Freds suggestion as criteria for placement of a Franklin, is pretty much SOP. -Jake- |
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Larry Bressington
From:
Nebraska
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 11:19 am
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What Fred said.
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 12:55 pm
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Having never played a guitar with a pf pedal, was wondering what combinations of that pedal and orther pedals and levers are most often used?
Curious particularly if the A pedal is used simultaneous with it. |
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Wally Moyers
From:
Lubbock, Texas
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 6:23 pm
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| I like the Franklin pedal on the first position for playability. I lower my Es on my RL knee.. Bruce Zumstead recommends it on the 4th pedal because moving the A and B pedals over one will increase the neck drop… Makes since to me, so mine is on the 4th shared with my C6 pedal.. Works great.. |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 6:47 pm
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I have it on my zero pedal and I lower my E's on my LKL and use both together with no problem. Another thing to think about if the buyer doesn't want the Franklin change. Some lower 5 & 10 to Bb on the zero and some raise 6 from G# to B and lower 10 to A.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 6:51 pm
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Tony,
That's a good point. I want to build this guitar to sell, and I need it to appeal to the largest customer base I can find. The guitar is a beauty, and will be a 4 and 5, or maybe 4 and 6. Just depends,,,,, |
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James Jacoby
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2014 7:07 pm
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| Tom Gorr wrote: |
Having never played a guitar with a pf pedal, was wondering what combinations of that pedal and other pedals and levers are most often used?
Curious particularly if the A pedal is used simultaneous with it. |
Hmmm--I had never tried the franklin, and the A pedal simultaneously before, so I had to run in to the PSG, and try it! Sounded kind of like when you accidentally step on the cat!  I haven't had my PF pedal all that long, and I had only been using it mostly by itself I experimented a bit, and I got some good sounding combinations with the PF, and E lever engaged,--- and the PF, and D lever engaged. Some of the combinations I liked were engage PF,and E lever, and 2-5-6 and PF, and D lever, and 4-5-6. I'm sure there are many more uses for the PF! This is what hooked me on the PSG--you never run out of new things to try--ever!! -Jake- |
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 15 Aug 2014 1:12 am
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| I have that change on my LKR. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Aug 2014 8:32 pm
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| So,,,, Franklin pedal as the zero, most left pedal? What about the E levers? I have them on opposite legs, but I'm not sure how popular that is????? |
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James Jacoby
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Aug 2014 11:17 pm
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| John Billings wrote: |
| So,,,, Franklin pedal as the zero, most left pedal? What about the E levers? I have them on opposite legs, but I'm not sure how popular that is????? |
Are you talking about the F lever,(mine LKL raises 4 and 8 from E to F), and the D lever(mine LKR lowers 4 and 8 from E to E flat)? I,personally, like have them next to each other because I can have an easy augmented with LKL, an an easy diminished with the LKR. My PF pedal is still in the experimental stage, but, so far, I like it a lot in the Zero position. I keep it a lot lower than the rest of the pedals, so I don't accidentally hit it when working the A pedal. Works for me, but it may not work for everyone.(My feet are numb, and I have trouble feeling the pedals.) I've never played the Day set-up,much, so I don't have a strong opinion about putting the PF as pedal 4, except Justice recommends it. I really think that since the Franklin pedal hasn't been around for very long, most are just putting it where it feels the most comfortable to them. Maybe you could just leave it off till you sell it, and ask the buyer where he wants it. -Jake- |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 18 Aug 2014 3:45 am
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John, I admit not everyone thinks and plays like me, but I keep the E levers on the same leg because all three of the other levers see use with the E lowers (the 6th string drop to F#, the B drop to A# and the 2nd string drop to C#). If all of those have to work with the E drop, the only lever that CAN live on the opposite side of the same knee is the E raise.
Obviously other people's mileage varies, as some really good players separate the E string levers.
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