C6th knee lever

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

The standard C6th includes a knee with only one change on it: the 3rd string C lower to B.

I often find myself wanting a low G note on the 9th string. I don't remember ever using that knee lever in a chord that includes the 9th string, but then I've only been playing C6th for a few years. I'm thinking of adding a 9th string F to G raise to the lever.

What would I lose if I did that?



   knee


D


E


C   -B


A


G


E


C


A


F  ++G


C

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Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

I've been "messing" around with that change and the best I can tell is that you would lose nothing.....but on the other hand, what would you gain?

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Dave Birkett · From: Oxnard, CA, USA

You would gain a note to comp with, a tic tac note. b0b may be in the same situation I'm in where I play with another guitar player who likes to pick and there's no other instrument left to pick up the rhythm.

Rick Schmidt · From: Prescott AZ, USA

b0b...the first chord that come to mind, you might not miss personally, is the FMaj7#11 (or in my case---b5

) It's pretty outside jazzy on it's own, so it might not be missed.
I use it all the time.

I think the biggest thing I'd miss would be the many passing alt7 phrases that you get from the trad. pedals 6&7 and the C-B KL.
Sorry that I'm tab challenged, but try this....

Strings, 3,6 & 9...press 6 & 7 in the open position. Now release 7 while holding 6...then lower the C to B KL.

This phrase can easily resolve to GMaj7, EMaj7, Emin7, and many others.

Anyway, although it would be very nice to have that F to G pull somehow, I'd think it would be best to have that 3rd string lower on another pull so you could use it as a sus4--release.

just my take...good luck

Dave Birkett · From: Oxnard, CA, USA

I just remembered that b0b plays an extended E9 which would be great for tic tac. Rick, those are nice moves. Thanks.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

I wanted to raise the 9th string a whole tone for years; possibly for the same reason b0b wanted to. I added a 9th pedal on my D-10 and did it here along with lowering the 2nd string a whole tone. Where this comes in handy is a full strum of a C chord with that rich 5th in the bottom and the root on the third string.

Never gave a thought to doing it with the C to B lever. But I like it soo much on the pedal and I can use it WITH the C to B change (on and off) for a nice affect. Also using it with the equivalent pedal 6 (mine is on a knee lever-RKR) it gives me an F9th with the 7th on top for a nice IV7 (or blues) chord resolve. This is due to the splitting effect.

An example of its use is a tune like "Steelin the Blues" where it can be played at any fret instead of relegated to the first fret.

This pedal used alone can give a nice ending strummed chord. IE, strum every note beginning with string 9 and ending on string 1 IF 1 is not a D note. If so end on string 2. It is a suspended and with that G note on the 9th string it is very full.

carl

Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

If you like playin blues you might miss the P8 7#9 to a dom9 by playing P8 and KL together Strumming strings 10 thru 3. Or as a chord, strings 9 7 5 3 w P8 and then add KL to lower the #9 to a 9 in this rootless voicing.



   G7                  F7


D-------------------------------------------


E-------------------------------------------


C----10~~10L--------------8~~~8L------------


A-----------10----10------------8-----8-----


G----10--------10---------8--------8--------


E-------------------------------------------


C----10(8-----------------8(8---------------


A-------------------------------------------


F-10(8-----------------8(8------------------


C-------------------------------------------


 


              C


D-------------------------------------------


E-------------------------------------------


C---------0---------------------------------


A-----------0-------------------------------


G-----/9------5~~vibrato--------------------


E---8---------------------------------------


C-------------------------------------------


A-------------------------------------------


F-------------------------------------------


C-------------------------------------------

I would miss that one.
But one can always loosen the nylon tuner for the 9th string F-G if it is needed for one particular song.

If one add a 7th string raise on P4 to D or change P4 to raise 8&7 a full tone (=P7 on the low strings) together w the KL w F-Gpull one would have a nice position for playing pentatonic stuff.

Bengt Erlandsen

[This message was edited by Bengt Erlandsen on 14 January 2004 at 12:38 PM.]

Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

The low G would not be bad either if it was installed as a lower on the 8 string like this



   K


D


E


C  B


A


G


E


C


A  G


F


C


 


Or w a half-stop on 8th string


    K


D


E


C  C--B


A


G


E


C


A  Ab-G


F


C

I don't know all the uses for the 3rd string C-B lower but this variation has some useful variations for sure.

Bengt Erlandsen

Franklin · Posted 15 Jan 2004 6:16 am

b0b,
F to G is a great change. There is alot of chordal possibilities using the 9th string E F and F# played with the C to B lower that can not be played any other way. I used to raise the F to G alone on an up lever because everywhere I thought about placing it would interfer with chords that I felt were important to my playing....Paul

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

Bob-Very good post. I too think that F to G on the 9th string is so important to put on a pull somewhere. As Carl and Paul has shown.
On my "Lean and Mean E6" My 9th string is A open and I pull it to a B, I think it will work ok with your 3rd string C to B drop. But I'd rather have it on another pedal....al

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Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

Thanks, everyone. I'm now seeing the problems when the lever is used with P5 and P8. I really don't "need" this change all that much.

As usual, the standard copedent wins out.

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Rick Schmidt · From: Prescott AZ, USA

True b0b....but now you got me wondering where could I possibly put that cool F to G change...hmmmm?

Another job for FUTURE STEEL!!!

Jerry Gleason · From: Eugene, Oregon, USA

I put the F-G change on the pedal 4 change (pedal 8 for me), instead of raising both A's to B, I moved the lower one to the ninth string. This gives a nice 5th in Maj7th chord with the tenth string as the root, among other things. It's a cool sound. There may be other, better ways of implementing this change. I'll have to explore it more.

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

I have the F - G with my Eb's it works well with the Bbs for my relative minor lever combo.

C Dixon · From: Duluth, GA USA

There is a nice thumb and finger roll that is used in the original "Canadian Sunset" orechestra hit that can be done by raising the 9th string to a G. Since I do not know how to do tab, the following is how it is done.

10-9-8-9-10-9-8-9-10, etc. I use a crossing over thumb-pick style like BE uses. This bass string walk has been needed IMO for a long time on C6. Raising that F to a G is just great IMO.

carl

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