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Topic: Carter split-tuning? |
Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 7:43 am |
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I have Tommy White's old Carter D-10 (and a fine guitar it is!!!) but I ran into trouble when I backed off the 5th string lower (RKL) to only drop the string to Bb (TW had it going to A). Now the resulting C note isn't quite in tune.
This is my first Carter so I'm unfamiliar with them. I take for granted the split-tuning available on my Emmons but is there anything I can do on this guitar (apart from obtaining an extra compensator)?
Thanks in advance...
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 7:52 am
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Carter uses the two rod method. Does it already have two rods going to the RKL 5th string, one to the raise and one to the lower? If not, you'll need one.
Tune the C with the lower rod and the A# with the raise rod.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 12:16 pm
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Thanks, Lane - I'll give that a try.
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Ron Pruter
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 1:47 pm
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Roger, The two rod system works great. It's probably dropping to low when you use the change by itself. You'll need an additional raise rod and tuning nut. Email me and I'll talk you through it if you're having probs. RP
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 4:55 am
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Thanks, Ron - I was afraid an extra rod was needed. That puts it beyond me until I can get to a steel-tech guy and there's no-one remotely close to where I'm gigging for the Summer.
Ah, well - I was just hoping.....
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 6:13 am
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Roger, that's a simple add on the Carter, since you already have the bellcrank. No tools required
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 7:37 am
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It really is easy. I added one to my 6th string with minimal effort.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:00 am
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I don't have any spare rods, though - can I get one from Al Brisco, do you think?
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:11 am
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Only if you need more stuff. Doesn't he have a $40 minimum order?
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Jerry Fessenden
From:
Vermont, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:19 am Carter split
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| Try Fred Justice ..he uses the .093 rod like Carter.. or maybe Rains. JF |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:55 am
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You would need that long elongated hook on the end to go around the dumb bell(nothing personal Roger) That probably wouldn't be that hard on a 3/32" rod. Ron
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:57 am
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Al Brisco is a good source. But, like Lane says, he has a $40 minimum. If you plan on playing it a lot, or the previous owner played it a lot, you might want to order some brass pull pins (dog bone). He will make the rod to the length you want and add the hook on one end.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:58 am
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| Ron Pruter wrote: |
| You would need that long elongated hook on the end to go around the dumb bell(nothing personal Roger) That probably wouldn't be that hard on a 3/32" rod. Ron |
I've tried making the hook and it is really hard to do. I never was successful at it.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 2:38 pm
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Roger, if you will tell me the exact length you need I will make the rod for you with the hook on one end and threads on the other. You just need to measure the lowering rod.
rollermusic@cox.net
Jerry
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 7:37 pm
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That's extremely kind of you, Jerry!
Do I measure the rod for the raise pedal (my 'C' - Day set-up) or the knee-lever (in this case the RKL)?
Thank you!
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 7:58 pm
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It should be the knee lever. The way you tune the split is:
1) Tune the open string at the keyhead
2) Tune the raise at the nylon nut.
3) activate the knee lever along with your A pedal and tune the C note with the nylon nut for the lower.
4) You should notice that the Bb note on the lever alone is probably flat. So if you have the extra lever on the knee lever, and set up as a raise, you can now get the Bb in tune by adjusting the nylon nut for the new rod.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 55 years and still counting. |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 27 Jun 2014 6:22 am
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Richard has it right.
Here's why and how:
The tighter a string gets, the more travel is required for the next half step, and looser it gets, the less travel required.
So to pull the C# down to C takes more travel than to pull the B down to A#.
So you set the lowering rod to pull the C# down to C, which will ALWAYS be more than the travel required for B to A#. So the lever's raise rod trues the A#.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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