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Topic: Eminence EPS -12 for Peavey Nashville 112!!! |
Dennis Lee
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Forest Grove, Oregon, USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 7:19 am |
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OK gang, I've got the new EPS-12C installed, the new mod reverb unit, and now would like to know what amp settings are giving you the best sound performance?
Mr. Tommy White, would you please share what you are using? Thank you to all who read this and care to respond. |
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 8:07 am
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Dennis, what sounds best to YOU, with your guitar and pickups? A bright pickup like yours will take a different setting than someone with a dark heavy sounding pickup.
All knobs turn up AND down, do not hesitate to turn them, that's what they were meant to do.
Once we fix your cables it will all change again.
Once you change out the speaker it will change again.
Once you add the Fox chips it will change again.
Once you settle on the brand of volume pedal it will..
Larry Behm
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 11 Jun 2014 1:28 pm
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Travis, in addition to Larry's advice and offer to help, may I suggest this procedure for help finding YOUR sound?
Look at the second post here:
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=223731
I didn't make this up, it was given to me.
If you have tone-sucking cables, I'd either replace them or run a Lil' Izzy or other buffer.
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 19 Jun 2014 6:30 pm
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Peewee Charles
From:
Waterloo,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 8:33 am Speaker install
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| Took it to the distributor for Eminence in Canada and they were going to install for me, which was nice of them....just got this email back.....I read Tommy's post and just wondering if that will solve the problem or if I should take to shop....Thanks ....here's post from distributor ......I was unable to mount the EPS-12C because the original speaker mounting studs are too short. The EPS-12C has a cast frame and it’s mounting flange is much thicker than the original, stamped steel frame speaker. Changing the studs involves removing the baffle board from the amp and then removing the grill cloth it, which is stapled to it. The original studs can then be pulled and longer studs, or machine screws, installed and then grill cloth re-applied |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 9:04 am
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Peewee, I'm not buying that excuse. Yes, the new Eminence speaker has a thicker foam gasket to mount to baffle board. Mounting the new speaker will take all of 10 minutes tops.
You must first remove the old speaker and paper gasket . Then , install the new speaker by pressing down firmly around the frame edges to compress foam gasket to get lock nut started on existing studs. It could have been done in the time it took to type the reasons it can't be done.
Just by looking at the forum, I would guess this proceedure has been performed by dozens. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 9:19 am
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The Telonics Neo must be a different speaker, because mine went in without issue.
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Peewee Charles
From:
Waterloo,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 9:31 am Thanks Tommy
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| I agree....many on the forum have installed it...It's just an excuse...I'll do it myself....I was just a bit worried, as I have never installed a speaker...Thanks man...and keep up all the great playing...you are an inspiration... |
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John Limbach
From:
Billings, Montana, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 9:48 am
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| Once you remove the paper gasket on the BACK of the speaker frame, it will mount easily. |
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Peewee Charles
From:
Waterloo,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 12:24 pm Eminence speaker install.
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Hi Tommy, Trying to get speaker in and here's response from The install guy...not sure what to do....Well Ed what can I tell you. I’ve got your amp apart and you’re welcome to come give squashing the foam gasket a try. The only way I can see it going in is to trim the front foam gasket down. I’ve got a call into the tech at Eminence about doing just that. It might not effect things but I want to run it by him first just to get his take on it.
The gasket on the back is foam, not paper, and peeling it away still does not solve the problem. Even if you could compress the front gasket enough to tighten down the nuts to get more than just a few threads engaged it would require quite a bit of force. It is possible to warp the speaker frame by over-tightening the mounting nuts and thereby cause a rub.
I can’t see how it would work by anything your friends on the net have said. Maybe Eminence is using different gaskets now, I might be able to find that out when they call back. Maybe Peavey used a thicker baffle board with the same short studs, who knows?
Terry.
P.S. The tech called back. He agrees with me that thinning the front gasket may lead to the frame actually contacting the baffle board which might cause a buzzing noise as the vibrate together. Let me think about this. If you need your amp back in the meantime let me know and I’ll put it back together. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 12:39 pm
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I installed the Telonics 12" which is also made by Eminence and it went it with no problem at all and no need to squeeze any gaskets. (The only trouble I had was getting access to some of the nuts, especially the one at the top of the speaker, just below and partially obscured by the power amp unit).
Sounds to me like the Telonics may have a different gasket than the EPS-12C...
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 12:54 pm
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... or a different frame.
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 25 Jun 2014 3:54 pm
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| You're doing something wrong. Many people here have installed that speaker. The paper gasket on the BAFFLE BOARD is to be removed. NOT from the speaker. The Eminence distributor in Canada are not speaker techs and don't know that. They are warehouse workers. It's a 10 minute job and quite easy. |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 2:50 am
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If the mounting edge frame is the same size (depth) as the EPS-15C, it will fit. However, on my NV112, if I were to replace the speaker it would require more than "10 minutes".
Being an ex amp tech, It will require removing the chassis (to get at the speaker top mounting nut), Also removing the reverb pan and possibly the lower back baffle. I don't think the quick disconnect plugs on the speaker cables will fit on the Eminence screw/banana jack type connectors and they will have to be cut off and the wires stripped back (if they are long enough). |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 4:03 am
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| It will require removing the chassis (to get at the speaker top mounting nut), Also removing the reverb pan and possibly the lower back baffle. I don't think the quick disconnect plugs on the speaker cables will fit on the Eminence screw/banana jack type connectors and they will have to be cut off and the wires stripped back (if they are long enough). |
I did have to remove the lower back baffle and the reverb pan. Fortunately, I didn't have to remove the chassis to get at the top mounting nut, but only because I managed to get that one off from the side with a pair of needle-nose pliers. You're right, the plugs don't work on the Eminence so I had to remove them and strip the wires, as you said.
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Roger Francis
From:
kokomo,Indiana, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 5:31 am
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I didnt want to clip my wires so i made 2 wires the same color as the ones on the amp and soldered 2 1/8 male connectors on them and plugged in to the excisting wires and used heat shrink
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 6:55 am
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Look, I've replaced the speakers in my Evans FET 500, Evans Hybrid 200, Webb 614E and 2 of my Peavey Nashville 112 amps with Eminence speakers. I'm not an amp tech, however, the chassis does not need to be removed as suggested. Simple hand tools are all thats needed. The new speaker will absolutely fit in the Nashville 112 without bending the frame. Simply remove bottom back panel , loosen screws holding verb pan in place. Slide pan out of the way. There is also no need to strip speaker wires! See my previous posts on this subject.
The first Peavey Nashville 112 amp took 20 minutes. The 2nd Nashville 112 amp only 10 minutes! Good gosh, if I can do it, a monkey could do it  |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 8:50 am
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| The top nut is the issue. As Jim Cohen notes it can be removed without removing the chassis. However, unless you have some special tool, you can't get all the mounting nuts tightened the same. Everything I have been taught says to tighten all the nuts the same. |
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 11:03 am
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Jack,
I understand and appreciate your recommendation and good advice. The top nut is not easy to get to. I managed to snug it up with pliers. No more snug or loose than the others by a significant degree. I wouldn't think a torque wrench is needed to/ for an exact spec for swapping a speaker in a Peavey steel guitar amp. Of course, I've been wrong before, but that was a long time ago  |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 26 Jun 2014 12:19 pm
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Tommy, as an ex-amp tech sometimes us "techies" get picky. You are probably right.
(I was the amp tech at Little Roy Wiggins' Music City Store on lower Broadway). |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 31 Jul 2014 12:55 pm
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| The Eminence EPS-12C is proving to be a premium sounding speaker in the Nashville 112. Getting rave reviews. |
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David Hubenak
From:
Wallis, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 Aug 2014 9:03 pm
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Tommy, back to the reverb issue. Your preference is the spring vs digital, but if you had to pick a good spring sound digital reverb unit (if there is such a thing) what would you recommend? TIA
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 3 Aug 2014 12:09 am
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David & Tommy - sorry to interject here. The Boss RE-20 Space Echo pedal has a digital spring reverb emulator built in, but you may not need the delay. It is a very useful and quality pedal.
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Tommy White
From:
Nashville
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Posted 4 Aug 2014 1:28 pm
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Hi David,
In the past, I've used the Boss RV-3. It worked ok but, if I were to need to use a Verb pedal all the time, I'd give a serious look see to the one Ken posted pics of in a previous post. |
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