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Topic: What is the most common function of the vertical and 2 RK |
Jim Hinds
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Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 28 May 2014 5:46 pm |
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What is the most common function of the vertical and 2 knee levers on a E9 Emmons setup?
My guitar is:
Vertical - strings 10 and 5 B-Bb
RKL - string 6 G#-F# and string 1 F#-G#
RKR - string 9 D-C# and string 2 D#-D-C# |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 May 2014 6:22 pm
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You're going to get a whole mess of answers here. I think the most common change on the vertical these days is the B to Bb changes. Right and left knees vary greatly.
Mine;
LKV raises 1 and 7 from F# to G
RKL lowers 2 to D/C#, 9 to C#
RKR lowers 6 from G# toF#
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 28 May 2014 8:05 pm
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If you don't also raise 2 to E on the same lever, I'd just raise 1 to G.
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Jim Hinds
From:
Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 28 May 2014 8:11 pm
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| Lane Gray wrote: |
| If you don't also raise 2 to E on the same lever, I'd just raise 1 to G. |
Would that be on the RKL Lane? (raise 2 to E) |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 28 May 2014 8:19 pm
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Right. Although I raise 1&2 to G#&E on a pedal, and k RKL goes 1 to G, 6 to F#.
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 29 May 2014 8:33 am Re: What is the most common function of the vertical and 2 R
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| Jim Hinds wrote: |
What is the most common function of the vertical ..
Vertical - strings 10 and 5 B-Bb
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That is certainly the most common function for LKV. But if you can't get C natural in tune when you combine it with the A pedal ("split"), then IMO it may not worth wasting a valuable lever for that.
Here are a couple of nice alternatives:
6 G# --> ++A# which I would normally have on "pedal 0" but works nicely on LKV
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5 B -> +++D which works best if your guitar plays C# in tune when you release D to C#. The C# comes out too high on most guitars. |
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Jim Hinds
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Gallatin, TN USA
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Posted 30 May 2014 7:32 am
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| Thanks for the replies |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 May 2014 7:36 am
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That is certainly the most common function for LKV. But if you can't get C natural in tune when you combine it with the A pedal ("split"), then IMO it may not worth wasting a valuable lever for that.
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I agree. Although I could get the split, I didn't use it enough to spend a knee lever on it. I tried it on a pedal next to my "A" pedal, with a split to get the C note, but that was short lived. I ten shifted that pedal to rise 5 & 10 to C, Again that didn't last long. I finally put the 1st and 2nd string raises on that pedal the same as Lane describes.
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 30 May 2014 6:46 pm
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The most common change on the vertical is probably the B to Bb lower on strings 5 and sometimes 10. But in my opinion, this is a mistake for 2 reasons.
1- The many uses of the B-Bb change are not readily apparent. Unlike the changes on A and B pedals, this change reveals it’s secrets only to those who really explore it.
Verticals are hard to use. And because of that, they are used less often than other knee levers. Which means that if the B to Bb is located there, people are not going to explore all the ways it can be used.
We all agree that it doesn’t really matter which change goes on what knee lever. Im my opinion, there is one exception to this. I believe that the vertical should raise the F# strings (1 and 7) to G natural. The reasons are both musical and ergonomic. Musically the strings are almost never raised without also raising the G# strings to A with the B pedal, (with or without the A pedal.) This provides both scales and chords.
From an ergonomic perspective, pressing the B (or A and B) pedal(s) provides leverage for your foot to use against the vertical. Makes it a lot easier to activate it.
Finally, a somewhat irrelevant point. The B-Bb change works well in combination with the E Eb lower. But it also works well with the F raise. If you have the E string raises and lowers on different knees, it’s better to have the B-Bb on the same knee as E to F. But there are more combinations of notes available if the E string changes are on the same knee, and the B-Bb is on the other one.
These ideas might not work for everybody, but the work for me. As the saying goes, your mileage may vary.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 May 2014 7:36 pm
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| We all agree that it doesn’t really matter which change goes on what knee lever. Im my opinion, there is one exception to this. I believe that the vertical should raise the F# strings (1 and 7) to G natural. The reasons are both musical and ergonomic. Musically the strings are almost never raised without also raising the G# strings to A with the B pedal, (with or without the A pedal.) This provides both scales and chords. |
Way to call it Mike. I also raise my F#'s to G on the vertical lever.
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 31 May 2014 11:44 am
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my position is a bit more simplistic...
The B to Bb change is as relevant as the AB pedals, but if you are looking for chords or easy you ain't gonna find it... that's not why it's there...
For the next 30 days think strings 5 and 8, and ONLY strings 5 and 8...play all your melodies on the combination of 5 and 8. 8 gives you a natural, a lower and a raise..and..WOW..5 gives you a natural a raise ( A Ped) and a lower . If you stick with it for 30 days, , 10 or 15 min a day...you will unlock the power, you hold the key. It doesn't matter if it's on the V lever, after 30 days you will conquer the lever and it's position just by using it everyday.
Oh and this..If you don't have the B to Bb lever, you are not dead... you just have to work harder out of different redundant positions which means study the fret board. Each time we sit behind this Instrument we should spend 5 or 10 minutes seeking redundant positions anyway. You will be shocked at how all of a sudden the fret board begins to open up into a brave new world.
RKL - string 6 G#-F# and string 1 F#-G# , this to me is a conflict. I raise 7 with the 1 raise but I also love the 6 lower, I don't feel the 6 lower belongs on the same lever as 1 full tone raise
have a look...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY3aKxc6aDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtGqa6l3f4
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Last edited by Tony Prior on 1 Jun 2014 2:01 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Johan Jansen
From:
Europe
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Posted 31 May 2014 11:45 am
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on 6th string G# to B and 9th string D to D#
This change (left knee up) I have on my Derby and WBS . |
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