E and F lever tuning

Thomas Heath · Post by **Thomas Heath** » 27 May 2014 3:46 pm

Hey all. I tune string 8 to pitch. After I lower the "E's" a couple times, string 8 goes flat when playing open. If I engage the "F" lever after string 8 has gone a bit flat, string 8 comes back to normal pitch. What gives?

Michael Hummel · Post by **Michael Hummel** » 27 May 2014 4:17 pm

What guitar?

Scott Duckworth · Post by **Scott Duckworth** » 27 May 2014 4:54 pm

I have the same problem on a GFI SM-10, but string 4 (8 is probably doing it too).

Thomas Heath · Post by **Thomas Heath** » 27 May 2014 5:16 pm

Legrand

Les Cargill · Post by **Les Cargill** » 27 May 2014 5:20 pm

Legrande's are all-pull, so my money's on inadequate pull rod slack.

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 28 May 2014 7:19 am

You need the slack on a push/pull, not on an all pull.

Brian Brgant · Post by **Brian Brgant** » 28 May 2014 7:55 am

Check The return spring tension. If the raise to F brings it back to E, the return spring for the D# lower may be a little light. Or it may be getting hung up somewhere. I would start with a couple of turns on the return spring..(which pulls the string back to the stop for E from the lower D#.................. As always ......... I could be wrong !

Scott Duckworth · Post by **Scott Duckworth** » 28 May 2014 9:54 am

The GFI SM-10 is a pull release. Any ideas?

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 28 May 2014 12:56 pm

Do a search "hysteresis" and you`ll find in fo on this problem.

Like this thread:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... hysteresis

Bob Hickish · Post by **Bob Hickish** » 29 May 2014 7:56 am

Scott Duckworth wrote:The GFI SM-10 is a pull release. Any ideas?

Duck
On most pull/release setups -- try tuning the lower note against its stops -- then bring the note up to open tuning with the nylon tuning nut -- be sure to have enough slack in the in the pull so as not to interfere with the lower note tuning .

I think i said that in a way it will make sense

Scott Duckworth · Post by **Scott Duckworth** » 29 May 2014 8:19 am

Thanks, Bob. That sound reasonable.

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 29 May 2014 9:17 am

Olli Haavisto wrote:Do a search "hysteresis" and you`ll find in fo on this problem.

Like this thread:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... hysteresis

The "hysteresis" phenomenon involves lowers returning sharp. The OP's problem is lowers returning flat.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 29 May 2014 10:40 am

Tighten the return spring.

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 29 May 2014 2:14 pm

Erv Niehaus wrote:You need the slack on a push/pull, not on an all pull.

You also need a little slack on an all-pull guitar! If you don't have it, then any time you tighten the nylon tuners, it will change the open tuning. That problem is called "over tuning", and it's easily the most common cause of tuning issues.

Olli Haavisto · Post by **Olli Haavisto** » 29 May 2014 3:09 pm

Brint, my bad. I know that but read the op carelessly....

Les Cargill · Post by **Les Cargill** » 29 May 2014 5:03 pm

Donny Hinson wrote:
Erv Niehaus wrote:You need the slack on a push/pull, not on an all pull.
You also need a little slack on an all-pull guitar! If you don't have it, then any time you tighten the nylon tuners, it will change the open tuning. That problem is called "over tuning", and it's easily the most common cause of tuning issues.

All I will say is that my mileage has varied on this subject.

Fred Glave · Post by **Fred Glave** » 3 Jun 2014 10:23 am

Yes I got in to trouble on my all pull when I tried to adjust my split tuning. I had taken out too much slack and caused a similar problem.