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Topic: Thin sound!! |
Glyn Bone
From:
Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada * R.I.P.
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Posted 4 Dec 2003 10:23 pm |
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Hi. just after some info/advice......I play an 80s Emmons SD10 Loafer 3 x4.......sounds great...until I get up on the 15th fret and above on strings 3, 4,5 where it seems to get horribly thin....I don`t mean as in the treble tone....just `thin` in comparison to the rest of the strings....I am currently using Lashley Xtra Lively Strings in the following gauges..12.15.11.14.18.22.26w.30w.34w.38w
I believe these are nickel, does anyone else have this problem? and if so how did you cure it ?
btw. I am using a Fender Deluxe 90 DSP amp.... and gives good sound /tone in all other respects. I realise that the higher one gets the more `trebley` it will sound..but this is just plain `thin`.....nothing like what I hear from other steels....any info or advice will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Advance guys ( and gals)
Glyndwr
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Duane Dunard
From:
Troy, MO. U.S.A.
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Posted 5 Dec 2003 3:50 am
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| Glyn, It's possible that your pick-up may need to be re-adjusted in distance from the strings. Lower the treble side and see if that helps. Or, a pick-up replacement may be next. (Wallace True-Tone, 17.5K) |
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Glyn Bone
From:
Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada * R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Dec 2003 6:08 am
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Duane.......thank you.I was wondering about that....the pick-up is about 3/16 below the strings atm....... will give that a try...much appreciated
Glyndwr |
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Bob Carlson
From:
Surprise AZ.
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Posted 5 Dec 2003 4:02 pm
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I never could get my steel to sound right on my Fender Twin Reverb. A Peavey Nashville 400 with that big ol 15" speaker took care of it.
Bob |
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Glyn Bone
From:
Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada * R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Dec 2003 7:55 pm
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Hi Bob.. thanks for the reply.....I have been wondering along those same lines actually......before I gave up playing about five years ago I had a PV Session 400LTD....I honestly can`t say that I noticed this `thin` sound with that....so possibly the 12" Celestion spkr. is not really `up to it` for PSG.....I don`t know....but it`s what I have atm and have to put up with it I guess....will be selling the lot in a couple of months prior to moving to Canada so no sense spending good money just yet....
Appreciate your response though....thanks 
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 7 Dec 2003 8:44 am
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when I bought my PP `74 fat back from Bobbe I took it home and played it.I was disapointed with the tone,it was ,thin,nothing like my Sho~Buds.I went back to Bobbe and complain about that and he said;"thats what they sound like".I took that guitar to my live gig down town and after the first song I was blown away by the sound.That guitar was by far the best sounding guitar I ever had,thin in the house but boy,it does kicked some a$$ live.The two best sounding guitars for me are Emmons PP and Sho~Bud LDG peroid.I never had a bad sounding PP or LDG.They all have the tone.
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2003 9:11 am
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Damir makes a valid point.
Keep in mind that what a player hears is NOT what the audience hears. Jeff Newman often teaches this very poingant revelation.
And so true it is. When good ole boys say, "the Emmons P/P cuts through", in essence it means the audience hears things other PSG's do not send out.
There are several things that cause this on this vintage instrument. One major cause is the aluminum neck. NOTE: all aluminum necks are NOT the same. You can make one that looks identical on the outside to the P/P neck, but it in all probability will be a dud in comparison.
Genious Ron Lashley Sr, was a physics professor in college. He KNEW sound like few others in the world of PSG because of this. When he designded to aluminum neck on the P/P Emmons' his genious has never been equalled on PSG's.
The second major cause of the P/P's "cut through" is the "body contact" of the changer fingers being tightly held against the body by powerful return springs. This is tantamount to running the strings up thru classic guitars like the prewar Rick bakelites. The knowledge was known then, and it has never changed since.
Deviate from either of the above and sound suffers.
The last but MOST impotant of all, is the player. Maestros like BE and LG have achieved something few ever have. And that is their inate ability to pull out of ANY guitar sounds others simply cannot get.
The best way I know of to describe it is to quote something I heard a long time ago,
"Buddy makes the 3rd string sound as wide as the Pennsylvania turnpike". And he has done it for years.
May Jesus bless you all always,
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