Is it Buck Trent or is it steel guitar?
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- Tommy Auldridge
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Is it Buck Trent or is it steel guitar?
Porter Wagoner's song "The Caroll Co. Accident" I've always had my opinion about the instrument that's so dominant in that song. Some people think it's Buck Trent with his electric banjo, and some people think it's a pedal steel with a capo and some hammer on's.
What do you think? Nobody will ever change my mind, but I just thought I would bring it up for discussion. Listen to it very closely before you make up your mind. Tommy.......
What do you think? Nobody will ever change my mind, but I just thought I would bring it up for discussion. Listen to it very closely before you make up your mind. Tommy.......
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I know what you're saying about "listen carefully" because the tone or timbre on the studio recording is decidedly different than on the link to the first video below of Porter and company on TV in 1970, but I'm going with Buck Trent on the electric banjo in both examples.
TV show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jJq4rBsZc
Studio recording:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj_dK-O0PP8
TV show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jJq4rBsZc
Studio recording:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj_dK-O0PP8
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youtube link from Mark
Mark: Thanks for posting that link, so that everyone can hear the Studio version, and listen before they decide.Tommy......
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Some of you guys seem awfully sure of this, and you might well be 110% right (though I don't see any sources quoted or presentation of evidence) - but unless I'm reading too much into Tommy's original post, he seems like he's playing his cards close his vest and he knows something.
Like one-eyed jacks are wild, and he has both of them in his hand.
Like one-eyed jacks are wild, and he has both of them in his hand.
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Okay, it's Buck Trent
Okay I'm satisfied, it's Buck on his electric banjo.
I still think it could be done exactly the same on pedal steel. I'll get out my capo and work on those licks that sound like hammer-on's and pull-off's. It seems like it will be a fun challenge. It probably won't take me more than two years to master it. Whenever I finally get it figured out, I'll use it quite a bit. I like it. Tommy.......
I still think it could be done exactly the same on pedal steel. I'll get out my capo and work on those licks that sound like hammer-on's and pull-off's. It seems like it will be a fun challenge. It probably won't take me more than two years to master it. Whenever I finally get it figured out, I'll use it quite a bit. I like it. Tommy.......
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This past October I was in Branson, Mo. and attended Buck's morning show. I got to chat with him before the show and at break time and asked him about some things and one of them was Carrol Country Accident. He told me that he'd recorded all that stuff and he had made a "sound" for Porter Wagoner. Buck also had some nice things on Norma Jean's recordings while she was with Porter. On questioning him about his banjo I found out that it's no wonder it sounds like a steel guitar. The head of the banjo is made of wood and it has a pedal steel type changer mounted in it which was made by Shot Jackson and it also has a ShoBud manufactured pickup on board. There's a metal ShoBud logo on the top behind the pullers. There are two "pulls" on the banjo, one which raises the 1st string D to E and one which raises the 2nd string B to C... They're activated by two "pads" that he depresses into the top with the heel of his pickin' hand. He can use them individually or together for a C triad on the 1st three strings. He also uses the old adjustable stop old style banjo tuners for lowering the 2nd string B to A and the 3rd string G to F#... He gave me a couple of his "Buck Trent" thumbpicks and I gave him a blue Herco pick. He said that he'd been looking for those for a long time and couldn't find them anymore. He said that He and Chet (Atkins) used to buy 'em up. I gave him the names of a couple of music stores who sold on line who probably had 'em in stock. He was a very enjoyable guy to be around and I really enjoyed his show. I bought a CD which featured his electric banjo and had an instrumental version of Carroll Country Accident along with about 11 other gems...........JH in Va.
P.S. Don't pay any attention to the date on the picture as I forgot to set it on my camera....
P.S. Don't pay any attention to the date on the picture as I forgot to set it on my camera....
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Re: Okay, it's Buck Trent
Okay Tommy, so you weren't holding both one-eyed jacks...Tommy Auldridge wrote:Okay I'm satisfied, it's Buck on his electric banjo.
I still think it could be done exactly the same on pedal steel. I'll get out my capo and work on those licks that sound like hammer-on's and pull-off's. It seems like it will be a fun challenge. It probably won't take me more than two years to master it. Whenever I finally get it figured out, I'll use it quite a bit. I like it. Tommy.......
I'm still not clear where you were going in to the thread, what did you think the instrument in question was prior to starting this topic?
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I remember when the song below came out back in the 60s. Many thought the intro and ride was done on pedal steel, but it was Buck Trent "all the way", even though the is a little pedal steel in the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99epTcCEJUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99epTcCEJUg
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Buck does indeed predate Clarence White & Booner with his "bender banjo".... Someone mentioned that you could emulate Buck's things with a pedal steel. I've tried it but can't quite get it right but fellow Forumite Clyde Mattocks can get Buck's sound down to a tee...........JH in Va.
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I enjoy playing the Buck Trent lines on pedal steel, and to get the attack and decay of the banjo, I keep rolling the ball of my hand off and on the strings (off the end of the fingers). With practice, you can get close. It's fun, but kinda a gimmick. I need to find a gal singer to do "Let's Go All the Way."
But yeah, that's Buck.
But yeah, that's Buck.
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The picture that Scott posted IS THE Baldwin-ODE that Buck played in the recording studio Sept 18th 1968 when Porter recorded Carroll County Accident and in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jJq4rBsZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jJq4rBsZc
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Porter Wagoner / Praguefrank discography for "Carroll County Accident"
http://countrydiscoghraphy2.blogspot.co ... art-1.html
18 September 1968[10:00-13:00]RCA Victor Studio, 800 17th Ave. South, Nashville, TN
Porter Wagoner (Porter Wagoner [vcl], Chip Young [gt], Wayne Moss [gt], George McCormick [gt], Buck Trent [el banjo], Pete Drake [steel], Don Warden [steel], Junior Huskey [bass], Jerry Carrigan [drums], Mack Magaha [fiddle], Hargus Robbins [piano] + Dolores Edgin, June Page, Hushel Wigington [bck vc]. Producer: Bob Ferguson)
311 WWA4-4895 THE CARROLL COUNTY ACCIDENT 47-9651/LSP 4116 LSP-4321 AHL1-7000 BCD-16537 OMNI-103
312 WWA4-4896 YOUR MOTHER'S EYES LSP 4116 BCD-16537
313 WWA4-4897 THE WORLD NEEDS A WASHIN' LSP 4116 BCD-16537
3 October 1968 RCA Victor Studio, 800 17th Ave. South, Nashville, TN - Porter Wagoner and Dolly Parton (Producer: Bob Ferguson)
314 WWA4-5004 MALENA 74-0104/LSP-4186
315 WWA4-5005 GOOD AS GOLD rejected
316 WWA4-5006 ONE BY ONE unissued
http://countrydiscoghraphy2.blogspot.co ... art-1.html
18 September 1968[10:00-13:00]RCA Victor Studio, 800 17th Ave. South, Nashville, TN
Porter Wagoner (Porter Wagoner [vcl], Chip Young [gt], Wayne Moss [gt], George McCormick [gt], Buck Trent [el banjo], Pete Drake [steel], Don Warden [steel], Junior Huskey [bass], Jerry Carrigan [drums], Mack Magaha [fiddle], Hargus Robbins [piano] + Dolores Edgin, June Page, Hushel Wigington [bck vc]. Producer: Bob Ferguson)
311 WWA4-4895 THE CARROLL COUNTY ACCIDENT 47-9651/LSP 4116 LSP-4321 AHL1-7000 BCD-16537 OMNI-103
312 WWA4-4896 YOUR MOTHER'S EYES LSP 4116 BCD-16537
313 WWA4-4897 THE WORLD NEEDS A WASHIN' LSP 4116 BCD-16537
3 October 1968 RCA Victor Studio, 800 17th Ave. South, Nashville, TN - Porter Wagoner and Dolly Parton (Producer: Bob Ferguson)
314 WWA4-5004 MALENA 74-0104/LSP-4186
315 WWA4-5005 GOOD AS GOLD rejected
316 WWA4-5006 ONE BY ONE unissued
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