Bill Kirchen &Texicalli w Cindy Cashdollar

Dennis Smith · Post by **Dennis Smith** » 7 Dec 2013 5:23 pm

Bill and the band sound good but when Cindy comes in it brings the song to life.
http://youtu.be/r6xigbpgkBA

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 8 Dec 2013 11:44 am

Michael Lester · Post by **Michael Lester** » 8 Dec 2013 3:23 pm

BWAHAHAHAHA....

Tom Snook · Post by **Tom Snook** » 8 Dec 2013 3:38 pm

"Off with her head"!
OK ,she can keep her head.Hard to see what fret yer on without it.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 8 Dec 2013 4:16 pm

Bill Leff · Post by **Bill Leff** » 9 Dec 2013 9:14 am

Please let's not start dissing players on this Forum....

Paul DiMaggio · Post by **Paul DiMaggio** » 9 Dec 2013 9:32 am

I think Cindy's credentials speak for themselves. You could e-mail Bill tho and ask him why he allows her to play in his band.

John Mulligan · Post by **John Mulligan** » 9 Dec 2013 9:44 am

I agree; Cindy's got the credentials. I have heard enough of her playing to see how good she is. On this track with Bill K she fits right into the groove, rather than swinging hard out front. She's serving the song here, as always. In my opinion she's a top-line player.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 9 Dec 2013 11:03 am

Dennis Smith · Post by **Dennis Smith** » 9 Dec 2013 9:12 pm

All I can say is how many years did you play with Asleep at the Wheel, how many Grammys do you have, what year were you inducted in the Texas Steel Guitar Hall of Fame and what year to the Texas Music Hall of Fame?
http://youtu.be/r9KVuLRRnUI

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 9 Dec 2013 10:22 pm

carry on

Scott Thomas · Post by **Scott Thomas** » 10 Dec 2013 7:41 am

chris ivey wrote:deleted to appease the mediocre majority

I think that there should be a way to talk about the merits of a given performance in a way that focuses on the the music without coming across as chauvinistic and condescending. It can be tough enough making sure our intentions are understood when communicating electronically this way. A little good will and diplomacy can go a long way. Then, let's have a discussion about cliches and tone, and whether the steel adds or detracts from the music. I just don't get where the attitude is coming from.

Peter Graham · Post by **Peter Graham** » 10 Dec 2013 7:49 am

New Member, posted my 1st comment this A.M. I'm disappointed to see open "bragging" about assaultive behavior on this site, I have no problem making my feelings known on this subject...even if I am a brand new member. Just for the record, C Cashdollars DVD's have been very helpful to me.

Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 10 Dec 2013 12:27 pm

No question Cindy is one of the finest pro steel players today (not to mention one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet). The rest is just internet Falderal and Fiddle-dee-dee.

Tom Snook · Post by **Tom Snook** » 10 Dec 2013 12:40 pm

Don't forget the "Balderdash"!

Liz Williams · Post by **Liz Williams** » 10 Dec 2013 1:09 pm

Thanks for the video. Cindy just keeps getting better. That band did seem to have a steel-sized hole in it.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 10 Dec 2013 2:58 pm

ok..i got weary for a moment, but i'm back. and this isn't dissing anyone. you are all raving about cindy. fine. what i hear 'in this performance' is a rendition of a lap steel being played in the manner of a beginning pedal steel player. that's what i hear plain and simple.
this performance does not show anything to deserve the accolades it is getting. that's my honest opinion! take it for what it's worth.
everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it goes against the popular grain.
i'm sure cindy has played some fine things. this is not an indication of such.

Peter Graham · Post by **Peter Graham** » 10 Dec 2013 3:06 pm

From: chris ivey
To: Peter Graham
Posted: 10 Dec 2013 1:03pm
Subject: to the new poster Quote message
peter,
this wasn't a case of assault, it was a case of an abusive egomaniac getting knocked down to size deservedly so. i have deleted myself from the thread so as not to ruffle your sensitive feathers.
i'm sure cindy's learning material would help any beginner.
good luck as you acquire experience in the music world. there is a lot more to it than meets the eye.
chris ivey

Please do not send me any more private emails, if you have something to say put it in the public Forum.

Peter

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 10 Dec 2013 3:15 pm

quite a power play for your 3rd post pete. it will be my pleasure.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 10 Dec 2013 3:19 pm

the quote from my message to this guy had nothing to do with cindy, by the way. it was something else he misconstrued.

Jeff Au Hoy · Post by **Jeff Au Hoy** » 10 Dec 2013 8:01 pm

Sounds great to me. Listened twice. What kind of stuff is Cindy doing that makes it beginner-like? Just curious. Always interested in improving my own playing.

Bill Brunt · Post by **Bill Brunt** » 10 Dec 2013 8:22 pm

Scott Thomas wrote: let's have a discussion about cliches and tone,

...had to grin.
Listen to the song - the performance, as a whole, and then just to the individual elements.
If she had played in any manner other than cliche, her playing would have been waaay out of place.

Really, what part of the song wasn't cliche?

I am a simple-minded dufus who enjoys a little cliche now and again.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 10 Dec 2013 9:32 pm

jeff..i don't want to put cindy down. i know she's good, popular and lot's of people hire her. this wasn't terrible, i just think she's capable of much more. so i felt the rave reviews were out of place for this. as bill brunt says, the whole tune is pretty cliche. that's part of the problem...made even more noticable by playing a pretty square 3 chord pattern played on the 1,3 n 5 tones pretty much without any real personality. she doesn't milk the tone or sustain and ends the song like you would your first week on pedal steel. kirchen doesn't help by setting her up with his own cliche steel licks. and i love bill kirchen. he's an incredible tele monster. and his bass player and drummer flat ass groove. i've played with them and raved to them about their groove.

chris ivey · Post by **chris ivey** » 10 Dec 2013 9:45 pm

and to put things in perspective, there are youtube videos of me out there playing worse crap than this. the problem is everybody's filming all the time and they're just going to catch you on uninspired gigs where you have to jam along with something you don't know or don't like or you had to go to the bathroom. i'd feel uncomfortable if someone raved about them.

Scott Thomas · Post by **Scott Thomas** » 10 Dec 2013 9:47 pm

Bill Brunt wrote: Listen to the song - the performance, as a whole, and then just to the individual elements.
If she had played in any manner other than cliche, her playing would have been waaay out of place.

Really, what part of the song wasn't cliche?

I am a simple-minded dufus who enjoys a little cliche now and again.

I'm with you. I'm into traditional music of many kinds. I think of all those little licks, phrases and turnarounds as less "cliche" than part of the musical vocabulary of a given style.

Whether it be Hawaiian, Western Swing, Surf Music or Old-Time/Bluegrass, there are certain things I want and expect to hear as a listener. I also try to incorporate as many of these "cliches" as I can into my own playing. I realize that neither of these things make me the most musically adventuresome person, but then I'm not a musician...I just enjoy listening and trying to emulate the things I like.