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Topic: universal players: jumping between left side and right side |
Ulrich Sinn
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California, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2013 10:45 am |
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| Do you jump between AB and e.g pedal 6 for, let's say, inversions of minor chords? |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 29 Nov 2013 11:04 am
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I've done it for other reasons. With the D# lever, A pedal and the B&C pedals having good minor-scale melodic tones available, using P6 for a minor seems like a least-valuable option.
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Frank Welsh
From:
Upstate New York, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2013 11:44 am
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On my Carter U12 I have jumped over to AB as well as B to get inversions, but I have found great difficulty in returning my left foot accurately to the pedals on the right side. The LKR knee lever really interferes with the freedom of movement for my left foot to move easily and accurately across all seven of my guitar's floor pedals and forces my left leg to be at a sharper angle than I would like in order to operate pedals 5 through 7.
I wonder if you have had the same experience. I have yet to see a YouTube video of a player "dancing" back and forth across the seven or eight pedals on a universal psg (like I wish I could do). |
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Jim Priebe
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Queensland, Australia - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Nov 2013 3:06 pm
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After playing the Uni setup for 30 years I find I never think in terms of E9th or C6th (B 6th) just that this guitar has all the changes you just use them as required so, Yes, I do go from any pedal or lever to any other one.
These days I use a "Short" 10 Uni which drops the bottom two strings (I seldom used them as they get lost playing in a live band) but I have altered so the LKR gives a minor (all the open G#'s to G), that way I can easily get a m6/9 combined with the A pedal.
Possibly the S10 body as opposed to a D or S with an arm rest let's your peripheral vision see the pedals better too without even looking down at them.
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Chris Gabriel
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2013 3:58 pm Stretchin', Findin', that's peddlin'
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I have my own copedent that I use, so can't advise on the universal tuning, but jumping pedals is an issue I am also dealing with at the moment.
My first method is marking pedals. I haven't labeled every pedal, just a single pedal, my pedal 7 ( I use 10 pedals). I allow for the pedals to be slightly visible in my peripheral vision. (like Jim Priebe) My hope is that what happened with my fretting/bar hand (slowly realizing physical distances with muscle memory) will occur for my peddlin' feet. It's working.
One more thing, my RKL (LKR for you righties, Im a lefty) is aligned with pedal 5; when I keep my leg straight, and lightly touching the knee lever, I am spot on pedal 5 without looking at all. The first method works for pedals 6-10, the latter for pedals 1-5. Working on stretching, finding, making lots of mistakes! Determined to get this...
my 2 cents, Chris 
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 29 Nov 2013 7:00 pm
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| I think were due for a break from volume pedal addictions, and start designing our copedents with the right foot fully engaged in chord alterations...the simplified complexification |
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Frank Welsh
From:
Upstate New York, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 8:47 am
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| Tom Gorr wrote: |
| I think were due for a break from volume pedal addictions, and start designing our copedents with the right foot fully engaged in chord alterations...the simplified complexification |
I think Tom's idea may be a solution for some of us uni players and can help with the ease and willingness to "jump around" on the pedals to really explore the advantages of the universal tuning which clearly calls for more leaps in foot movement than with a typical D10 guitar. Having that poor left leg handle all seven or eight pedals quickly and accurately by itself has been tricky for me. Time to make the right leg earn it's keep instead of "loafing" on the volume pedal. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 9:43 am
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I find giving a LITTLE bit of stiffness in the volume pedal helps. Not enough to oppose normal movement, but so that it doesn't flop when you lift off to have the right foot do something like change yer tuning.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 10:07 am
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One example of using the AB pedals during B6th playing that comes to mind...
"All Of Me", in the Key of C
With the E-to-Eb lever enguaged for the whole song, the base chord for me is the Fret-13 open C6.
The two chords you play during the words "You, took the part"...("That once was my heart").
During "You, took the..." I play:
Fret-6 (strings 3-6, and also the high F# fits in).
When it hits the words "Part, That..."
I play:
Fret11 with AB, strings 4-8 (E-to-Eb lever still enguaged).
Then the next line is "Once was my, heart...".
Over "Once was my..." I play:
Fret13 open.
When it hits the word "Heart" I play;
Fret-14 with P5+P6+[G#-to-G lever].
"Why not take..."
Fret-15 P6+B.
"All of"
Fret-15 P6
"Me"
Fret13 Open |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 10:37 am
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Pete, for those of us that think chordally, but (I blame undercaffeination this morning) aren't grasping it, what chords are you playing?
I recall it (but I'm not in front of the guitar, so this is just memory) as:
(F)You took the (Fm)part (C) that (E7) once was my (D7)heart
And so on.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 10:47 am
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F - You took the
Fm - Part, That
C6 - Once, was my
A7 - Heart, so
Dm - Why, not take
G7 - All of
C6 - Me |
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Lane Gray
From:
Topeka, KS
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Posted 30 Nov 2013 11:05 am
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But aren't you laying a Bb9 over the Fm?
Wait, let me lay it out
Bb, D, F, Ab C.
That's F, Ab, C, D, Bb.
Fm with some extra notes. Derrr.
I TOLD you I was caffeine-deficient this afternoon.
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2 pedal steels, a lapStrat, and an 8-string Dobro (and 3 ukes)
More amps than guitars, and not many effects |
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