What is it? Emmons sd10?

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 31 Oct 2013 10:42 pm

Dave, that's standard...A window-less C6 area on the right e/p is a relatively new feature and only found on LG's according to what Ron Jr. has told me.

Dave Magram · Post by **Dave Magram** » 31 Oct 2013 10:49 pm

Mike, thanks for that bit of Emmons education. So much to learn!

(BTW, a few days ago I came across a videoclip on YouTube of you playing "Crazy Arms" with Ray Price-- you sounded great!)

-Dave

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 31 Oct 2013 10:51 pm

awwww

thanx Dave

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 1 Nov 2013 3:56 am

This is getting fun. So someone had a D-10 and made it into an ST, or Emmons had one on the shelf and converted it? The serial number and the ST suffix would have been wrong, but there are no signs of alteration.

The plot thickens.

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 1 Nov 2013 8:43 am

Ok, so the ser# is 127 ST which looks right. You had said 12X ST to begin with which was confusing.
However, Emmons never mounted wood necks from underneath. You can take my word on that. In this pic of the ser# I also see extra eyehooks in the front apron which are used to hold one end of the pedal return springs. Those wouldn't be in there if it was originally built as an ST-10 with only 3 pedals. Additionally, the remaining front apron bearings show some signs of wear which would indicate that at some time in the past they had pedal cross shafts installed in them, which would tend to indicate that it might've been a D-10 guitar w/at least 8 pedals.
So, as for the guitars' originality, again, more comprehensive pics of the underside would be required for me to offer an educated opinion on your guitar.

Mike Cass
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Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 1 Nov 2013 9:08 am

There is a very interesting mystery about this guitar. Mike as always is 100% correct about how wood necks are mounted. All the wood neck Emmons I have seen are mounted as he stated. What the mystery to me is that I still believe this is a parts guitar that started as a D-10 just based on what I can observe about the pictures. There are still the little I screws that held the pedal springs and the bushing that I can see looks to have been used at on time. Even though the serial number depicts a single ten, something is off somewhere. I'm not an expert by any mean just basing on what I can observe in the pictures. I would bet that the neck screws showing have been cut off and put back in for cosmetic reasons and this also once had metal necks.

Mike, aren't single 10's on a double frame from that era sorta rare? I don't think I've ever seen but one in my lifetime but I don't get around much. I have seen wood neck Emmons quit a bit and have seen them with the inlay like this guitar but all were D-10's that I have seen.
I'll bet still this is a wonderful sounding guitar.

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 1 Nov 2013 9:11 am

Sorry Mike, I just repeated what you said in your last post but it wasn't up when I stared typing mine,lol.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 1 Nov 2013 9:12 am

I love it when someone with the knowledge and experience, like Mike Cass, chimes in on stuff like this. When he says something, you can pretty much take that to the bank.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 1 Nov 2013 9:16 am

I don't know if Emmons pre-drilled the undercarriage to accommodate 8 pedals, etc like a lot of builders do. Could it be possible that it was built as a S10 but someone tried to make it a D10 at some point, or at least add more pedals to the E9?

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 1 Nov 2013 11:40 am

The underside is drilled and tapped all the way across!

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » 1 Nov 2013 11:53 am

Can't tell for sure from the pics that have been uploaded, but it looks like the control plate has no slot for a neck selector switch as used on D-10's ?

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 1 Nov 2013 12:00 pm

Check out the virgin screw holes.

Skip Edwards · Post by **Skip Edwards** » 1 Nov 2013 12:06 pm

When I got my Loafer new in '76, it had crossbar holes predilled for for 9 or 10 pedals.
FWIW, mine had "castle wall" inlay and a smooth glove leather pad.
I had thought I'd seen this gtr before, but on closer inspection, no...but here's a couple pics of another just like it.

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 1 Nov 2013 12:50 pm

I cannot believe you found those pictures!
Is it safe to say that this is a mid 70s loafer? One sold here on 09/20/2010 for $2495.00

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 1 Nov 2013 1:01 pm

Jerry Jones wrote:Can't tell for sure from the pics that have been uploaded, but it looks like the control plate has no slot for a neck selector switch as used on D-10's ?

You are correct, only on/off.

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 1 Nov 2013 7:29 pm

lets see more and better complete underside pics please.

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 2 Nov 2013 11:04 am

I had the Emmons Co. pull the ser# for this guitar from the warranty card file...........

This guitar was originally built and sold in 1977, then shipped to the buyer in Monroe N.C.

The guitar was originally built as an ST-10, 3x4, black/ebony mica, 1" over standard height, and a METAL NECK is specified on the warranty card. Take from that what you will.......

Now, there may have been a valid reason for swapping the metal neck for a wood one though it wasn't a factory or factory authorized conversion and no note of it is found on the guitars' warranty card.
I recently did such a conversion on an S-10 for a friend of mine in Minnesota. He felt that a wood neck might give him more weather related stability in the northland winters, plus he liked the idea of the bolt-on changer. However, I did all of the things Big Ron taught me to do in such a conversion, and I notified the Emmons Co. of the changes made to this particular instrument which were applied to the original warranty card for the purposes of identification and provenance.

All in all, the guitar that started this thread is still a nice guitar, imho.

I hope this brings resolution to the discussion.
sincerely,

MC

Henry Matthews · Post by **Henry Matthews** » 2 Nov 2013 7:47 pm

You da man Mike. Thanks for finding out about this guitar. I was dead wrong but sure thought it was once a D-10. At one time, someone may have tried a couple more pedals. Sure is a nice guitar so thanks again Mike for solving this mystery.

Walter Bowden · Post by **Walter Bowden** » 4 Nov 2013 8:57 am

Good detective work Mike. You ought to be on CSI. Based on your research, can it be inferred that not all bolt on Emmons had wooden necks as has been previously mentioned on the forum?

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 4 Nov 2013 9:12 am

bolt-on changers can be found only on metal neck('66-'67)guitars, or wood neck instruments, push-pull of course.
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing either a bolt-on or wraparound changer LeGrande D-10 at the Emmons factory last year. I believe Ron jr. told me it was an experiment....sure sounded great!

MC

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 7 Nov 2013 6:36 pm

So, does anybody want to play this thing?

Keir Gallite · Post by **Keir Gallite** » 8 Nov 2013 5:33 pm

Hey, been trying to contact the Emmons factory nobody home! Mike, can you tell me if they are still in operation?

Tim Fleming · Post by **Tim Fleming** » 9 Nov 2013 12:59 pm

Keir,
I'm sure everybody here is DYING to play it!
I know I am!
Tim

Mike Cass · Post by **Mike Cass** » 9 Nov 2013 4:31 pm

yep, 336-227-4785.

Bob Poole · Post by **Bob Poole** » 9 Nov 2013 11:39 pm

Beautiful guitar....and Lane,you are very right about the SU carbs,my first steel had twin SU carbs,one on each neck.i finally took 'em off and sold 'em to a neighbor who collected Austin-Healys & Triumph Spitfires.