What is it? Emmons sd10?
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What is it? Emmons sd10?
Thank you for having me. My father is a bluegrass picker and came across this guitar. There is no model or serial number that we can find.
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I do believe you have an Emmons p/p "Loafer" which is what they named SD 10s back in the 70s. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like a cut tail with a wooden neck. The serial # is usually stamped in the changer end endplate. There are some very good Emmons experts on the Forum and pics of SN on Emmons can be found. If it is the real deal and in good shape, you could have a really nice and valuable pedal steel with the legendry push pull tone. Forum members like Lynn Stafford, Mike Cass, Billy Knowles and others would have much more knowledge and information to share. It would be helpful if you can take some pics of the underside and post them. If you do locate the SN you can probably date it's building period.
Good Luck and Best Wishes, Walter
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Good call found 12X ST stamped into it.
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How many knees?
Based on the tuners and slimmer, but maybe not slimmest cast pedals, looks like a mid to late 70s model. Except for a very few unusual later iterations or custom models, almost all wood neck models have the bolt on changer.
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How many knees?
Based on the tuners and slimmer, but maybe not slimmest cast pedals, looks like a mid to late 70s model. Except for a very few unusual later iterations or custom models, almost all wood neck models have the bolt on changer.
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I'll have to agree with Lane, it's also very dangerous, send it to me, please.
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D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes.
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that is the first wood neck/formica body model that i've seen with neck inlay. usually they are solid black and kid of ugly. this one looks cool.
pedals don't look slim to me. butterfly tuners..mid/late 70's. neck inlay..late 70's /early '80's. interesting model. doesn't look all grunged up to me the way lane said it did. some of my steels look alot scarier underneath.
pedals don't look slim to me. butterfly tuners..mid/late 70's. neck inlay..late 70's /early '80's. interesting model. doesn't look all grunged up to me the way lane said it did. some of my steels look alot scarier underneath.
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I'm enjoying the education guys. I would say the underside looks darker in the pictures than in person. I am curious about the inlay work around the neck. I have a few rare instruments but they would not be appropriate for this forum. Some have asked about offers, of course. I do have the original case with no smoke smell at all.
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Tiny Chief cap, wide pedals and wide spacing -- looks that way to me -- but the tulip Klusons, throw me. If there are are bushings in the apron for ten cross shafts I will say 1973/4. If there are bushings for nine I will say 1973, or the Klusons were changed and it could be 1970-1973.
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After looking more, I think that was a D-10 with back neck removed. What do y'all think?
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D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes.
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes.
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I'm thinking that the tuners are not original to that guitar. The Kluson butterfly buttons were about 1977-78, but the rest of the guitar looks earlier than that.
Yes, I was thinking that too. The pad on the rear doesn't look right to me. It doesn't look like other Emmons Loafer pads I've seen, but it could just be the lighting in the picture. A clear pic of the undercarriage would show any screw holes (if hardware had been removed)... but holes can be filled and undersides can be re-flocked, so who knows...After looking more, I think that was a D-10 with back neck removed. What do y'all think?
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The picture in the catalog was shot in late summer 73. The green guitar belonged to Tommy Dodd. That was the first time I saw that style inlay.
The pedal size and spacing make me think 1970. But could have been custom ordered. So you can't go by the pedal size and spacing. I'll say fer sure the neck is 73 or a few years later.
I'm no Mike Cass. Not trying to be. But I do know about the catalog shoot.
The pedal size and spacing make me think 1970. But could have been custom ordered. So you can't go by the pedal size and spacing. I'll say fer sure the neck is 73 or a few years later.
I'm no Mike Cass. Not trying to be. But I do know about the catalog shoot.
I deleted my first post as I just spotted something very seriously wrong with that guitar that everyone including me seems to have missed upon first inspection.......... the wood neck should be mounted from the topside with 1 3/4"x #12 wood screws located under the fretboard. The underside pic clearly shows what appear to be two 6/32 machine screws below the cross-strap going up thru the body in the general area of where the mid-body mtg. screws for a metal neck should be. The guitar may be a real ST-10, but that bit of oddness leads me to believe that the guitar originally started life as a metal neck instrument. Even if the metal neck to wood neck conversion had been performed by the Emmons Guitar Co. or its AUTHORIZED repair station, the metal neck mtg holes would've been filled and flocked over and the wood neck would've been mounted from the top, which is how I was taught by Ron Lashley, Sr. way back when. This all means that not only is the neck probably not original, but the tailpiece was of course added as well as the bolt-on changer cage(the original fingers may have been used however). Also, a wood neck guitar from that vintage(wide pedals & wide spacing)should have a flat-faced keyhead where the neck butts up to it. Hard to see but I believe its cupped there.
Also, the 3-slotted stop appears to be doing more than it should be(generally acts as a final stop for the RKR). Anything else its being used for would've been installed after-market. The pad looks like the grained type that we used in the 70's and the neck inlay is perfectly in keeping with the motif at the time, but there also appear to be 6/32 screws holding down the pad on the back side...that's wrong... we use #10 wood screws for that. The ser# is weird too...12X ST ??? that's henky.
Add to that the wide pedals & butterfly Kluson's...yeah...curiouser and curiouser.
MC
Also, the 3-slotted stop appears to be doing more than it should be(generally acts as a final stop for the RKR). Anything else its being used for would've been installed after-market. The pad looks like the grained type that we used in the 70's and the neck inlay is perfectly in keeping with the motif at the time, but there also appear to be 6/32 screws holding down the pad on the back side...that's wrong... we use #10 wood screws for that. The ser# is weird too...12X ST ??? that's henky.
Add to that the wide pedals & butterfly Kluson's...yeah...curiouser and curiouser.
MC
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